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#451567 - 11/10/07 07:50 AM WMG: The Deals that Failed
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Roger Friedman attacks WMG again and mentions some of the obvious WMG misses.

Warner Music Stock Collapse

As of 10:30 Friday morning, Edgar Bronfman Jr's. Warner Music Group stock has collapsed. It's currently selling at around $7.50. The stock reached its 52 week low earlier Friday morning at $7.26. A year ago, WMG was at $27.

Even if WMG manages to finish a little higher by the end of Friday, the fact remains that nearly every day of this bear market notches them a little lower. If and when the stock price drops below $7, one wonders how much more primary financiers Thomas Lee and company can take it.

What's wrong with Warner Music Group? It's not downloading. It's lack of music, no artists, no signings, no development of new artists, as well as wildly overpaid executives and bad business deals.

For example, a $30 million investment in Sean "Diddy" Combs' Bad Boy Entertainment has turned up nothing of value. And another multimillion dollar investment, in a private luxury concert business this summer in the Hamptons, was a bust.

At the same time, WMG has been hit by defections. Madonna has left for Live Nation after 25 years with WMG. The company could no longer afford her. The Eagles, whose entire career was spent with the old Warner Music, now have their own label with Wal-Mart. They sold 711,000 copies of their new album this year.

Warner also passed on the "Hairspray" soundtrack, which turned out to be a hit for New Line Cinema. And those are just the big public embarrassments. The smaller ones, the ones we don't know about, are probably even more alarming.


Now, let's test the acumen of the lurkers, squatters and residents of this community. The posts should list the mishaps of this company since going public. I will set the first post as an example.

Easy Peasy.

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#451570 - 11/10/07 08:10 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: HisMasVoice]
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As soon as I see the name Roger Friedman... my attention shifts elsewhere.

Master of the obvious.

I'd rather watch the weather channel.


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#451572 - 11/10/07 08:52 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: HisMasVoice]
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1. The executive changes at Warner-Chappell. While Bider and Shoemaker may not have been aces what is the current leadership (if you call it that) doing? They are simply watching the hen-house. Dave Johnson is listed at "interim CEO'. What does that tell all of you?

2. The Bronfman boy letting Cohen do as he pleases. In this regard I refer to the bringing in of his cronies. Greenwald, Liles, Imber etc. are all loyal to Lyor and not to WMG's shareholders who are skinny dipping in a bath of molten lava.

3. The killing of the Elektra brand.

4. The dividends and bonuses so flagrantly paid out as the rest of the company and its constituents suffer.

5. The release of Roger Ames. Too many in the know this was the Bronfman Boy's biggest error. Ames' knowledge of the industry outweighs the entire WMG "executive" committee.

6. Tom Whalley reporting to Cohen. It is supposed to happen on paper but does not happen at all. Jolly good team you have their Junior Miles.

7. The prophetic waxings of a digital dream and salvation instead of the truth: "The pirates are coming take heed. Captain Jobs is going to rape you, your wife and kiddies with an apple core." WMG is headquartered in NYC. The BIG APPLE indeed.

8. Zero recruitment of future artistic/executive talent.

9. Edgar's follies, the biggest being a certain Dick Snyder followied by the Vivendi tantrum.

10. "We are a music based content company, " said Bronfman. Drop it sonny boy. No one is falling for the rhetoric.

11. No synergy between the music and publishing divisions.

12. Alex Zubillaga. Brilliant move! Everyone's brother-in-law needs to work. Especially, our family members from Venezuela, the most digitally advanced nation on the planet.

13. Edgar, did you not say that James Blunt would be an artist that we would be hearing from five albums, even eight albums from now? What happened?

14. Losing Helen Murphy (and of course Roger Ames) will prove to be an irremoveable thorn. This thorn's brother-in-law will come back to truly prick you.

15. WMI. Warner Music Internation is a complete disaster. How does your Head of International reside in NYC?

16. Latin business equals zero. Maybe Alex can help?

17. MVI. The bold statements and proclamations for this much self-heralded format. Even Andy Lack got more press for the rootkit diseased DualDisc.

18. The Savoy deal. Mind you, this was not collosal but Strauss and Edgar are family and the deal was a "family styled one". Compare it to the others and many would see rampant misappropriations.

19. You kill Elektra and build an Asylum. I think that says it all as far as that topic is concerned.

20. Corporate airport firings. I guess it is fitting that WMG would choose The War On Terror's point of entry for its own form of corporate terrorism. If you think about this deeply it is quite disturbing in the context of greater world events. A complete lack of deceny.

21. When will Rhino release "The Biz" on DVD? Every educational music program around the world should recieve a copy under the guise of "How not to run a record company."

22. CORPORATE INSPIRATION Is Kevin Liles really "Mr. Make It Happen." You have an exec who writes a self-help/success book and he lists the folowing as "Must See" movies: "Scarface", "The Godfather", "New Jack City". Truly inspirational movies- for a criminal. Not one classic. Are "To Kill a Mockingbird", "Gone With The Wind", "Lilies In the Field", "Of Mice and Men" beyond your comprehension? Let's be very careful of what we "make happen".

23. Cordless Records.

24. The Independent Label Group.
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Lyor Cohen, Chairman and CEO, U.S. Recorded Music at WMG, said, "The Independent Label Group is designed to provide entrepreneurs the resources to organically grow their business. Recognizing that each indie label has unique needs, ILG will work hand in hand with independent artists and executives, providing an individualized support system, so each label can achieve their creative or business goals. Todd is an entrepreneur, through and through, and it's hard to believe that in less than two years he and his small team have translated that entrepreneurial spirit into a variety of label partnerships that have led to amazing artist successes with Mike Jones, Paul Wall, Webbie and Bun B among others. I couldn't imagine a more appropriate executive to oversee this group of labels."

John Esposito, President and CEO of WEA Corp., said, "As we intensify our commitment to the independent music community, we wanted to develop a structure whereby the resources available to independent labels and artists could be housed under one umbrella. Todd and his stellar team, Fred and Jason, exemplify the independent spirit and share a respect and admiration for the artists and labels that make up that community."

Todd Moscowitz, President, Independent Label Group, said, "What we have built at Asylum over the last 18 months is a testament to the labels and the artists that we have partnered with. We are so proud of what we have all achieved together, and I am looking forward to working with Fred, Jason and their teams because they have the same respect that we do for independent music and the entrepreneurs who create it. It's an exciting time for all of us."


25. Supporting an artist that was buying automatic weapons with silences. Just in case the home security malfunctions, of course.

26. Some of the most bogus and immaterial press releases in the history of the recorded music business.

27. The current share price.

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#451576 - 11/10/07 09:36 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: HisMasVoice]
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Freaking bravo!
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#451578 - 11/10/07 09:54 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: goldears]
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So for up-and-coming bands signing with WMG labels, what do you all expect for their futures?
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#451591 - 11/10/07 11:30 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: actionsports]
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 Originally Posted By: actionsports
So for up-and-coming bands signing with WMG labels, what do you all expect for their futures?



nothing.. just nothing at all: the place is irreparably broken.
There is zero momentum left, zero morale left.
This won't change until a change of ownership and leadership.

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#451611 - 11/10/07 01:08 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: been_there]
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You're an optimist. I expect less than nothing. Pawelski, Pincus and Espo. Without them, that place is an empty can (listening in, Mr. Kluge?).
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#451612 - 11/10/07 01:10 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: HisMasVoice]
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1) The mantra of finding new distribution channels has been a farce. WMG is selling it's wares to all of the same entities as the other majors. Well, as of last week, except Nokia and Amazon.

New Distribution Channels = Failed.

2) Extending WMG's global reach was something that Edgar made tall mention of since last year's year end. WMG is the smallest major when it comes to the international world. It is a big planet Edgar. Much bigger than your table at the Four Seasons, the new townhouse, the Quebec liquor commission, the club in the Hamptons and your alimony checks.

Extending Global Reach = Failed.

3) The opportunities in mobile are endless. Well, we know that is not the case. We also know that most of the mobile music content purchases are of the hip-hop/urban variety. This is a dying genre falling off faster than all of the others. Your executive music team (outside of Whalley) has their core competencies in urban music. Thus, your executives' collective skillset is dying off as well. Actually, it is irrelevant.

Mobile Opportunities = Failed.

4) In September Edgar stated in a keynote that beyond anything in the business the most important thing is discovering new talent. Pray tell, how are you doing this? Where are you doing this? Who is doing this? An even bolder statement was "A&R is our R&D." Do you think you are DuPont now? That is where you lost over $3,000,000,000.00 of the family fortune. Your artists are dying off, being dropped, leaving or simply giving up. At the 75 Rockefeller board room listening party for Madonna's last album you referred to her as "our queen." Your queen went to another kingdom. Queen? Whore? Opportunist? Either way, she left.

A%R = Failed.

5) A couple years ago Scott Sperling jumped into the ring. He was very vocal about the finances that WMG had and that they were going to aggressively grow the business.

Liquidity = Failed.

6) Edgar's excuse for losing deals is a newfound buzz phrase called "financial discipline". So, we go from "aggressively growing" to "financial discipline." Alright then. Should the business not have been financially disciplined from the outset? How do we explain the club in the Hamptons? $110m from the Napster settlement could not help? You stole a man's laptop and you do not even use it. At least that would have brought the IT bill down.

Financial Discipline = Failed.

7) "Moving forward we are going to partner with our artists in all revenue streams." Sounds a bit like the towering inferno that was Sanctuary. You can do all of the the 360's that you want. Then, as your brain continues to spin in what is already perpetual dizziness your vomit will create the only real new stream by which you can raft. The concept of a 360 is you start at point A and end up at point A. A 180 would be more appropriate and at least put you in a different spot. The Eagles, a legacy Warner artist, partnered with Wal-Mart. Madonna partnered with Live(for now)Nation. Will T.I. partner with Smith and Wesson? Kid Rock with Marlboro? My Chemical Romance with Maybelline?

Partnering with Artists = Failed

360 Anything = Failed

8) The Top 200. WMG has a total of 4 albums that have sold platinum. 3 of which are just over the platinum limit.

The Charts = Failed

9) "We are going to move ahead of the industry dynamic." Brilliant!

Responsible Statements = Failed

10) "Our marketshare grew 1% point last year." You are a public company. In the last year the only share that you should care about is your company's share price. I am looking at a share price of $27.24 52 weeks ago to a low yesterday of $7.26.

"Sharing" = Failed

WMG = F


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#451618 - 11/10/07 01:23 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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A phenominal post, sir.
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#451622 - 11/10/07 01:41 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: goldears]
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Mater....well, well done.
Another interesting point is how far Barry Diller has distanced himself from Junior.
Barry is in the process of trying to splinter IAC Interactive from one public company to six or seven,
A massive undertaking, which I bet he pulls off.
Of course being anywhere near that financial mastermind Bronfman would only hurt Barry.

It's one thing to fuck up the family fortune, it's another to lose so much money for perfect strangers who were foolish enough to buy WMG stock.
Inside that world of owner are not just funds and financial types but every day people whose hard earned money (not inherited) was invested by themselves or money managers (most of whom should be working at McDonalds).

When you fuck over those hapless souls there Junior, your karma is ready to take a big bite out of your privledged ass.

The resemblance to Eric Clapton continues there Slowhand.

What has "Mr Make It Happen" made happen as of late?
I now assume you too can earn a moniker, something like "Mr. Make It Collapse."
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#451629 - 11/10/07 02:15 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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Gentlemen, you are making this more interesting than this afternoon's college football and probably anything the Bears will put on the field. Not a wasted syllable and all of it deserved.
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#451635 - 11/10/07 02:36 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: HisMasVoice]
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Bravo for this excellent post! Karma's a bitch and it's about time the scam that is WMG came crumbling down on their greedy heads. All the better to have all of their lies (mistakes) laid bare here for the world (wall st.) to see...gotta love it!!
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#451641 - 11/10/07 02:50 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: goldears]
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11) Life. I believe that this ties into business on one level. At least in this case. Edgar's Father had 4 wives and 7 children. Edgar is on wife number 2 with 6 children. Bronfman Sr. wins in the offspring department. Interestingly, when WMG was looking at purchasing Wind-Up, Edgar's son Bejamin's band (The Exit) were given a deal at Wind-Up. WMG did not buy Wind-Up but the October 2005 album has scanned 6,000 copies. Hardly an artistic triumph. But, Benji got a record deal. Dick Snyder was not the producer.

Edgar's Demon Seed = Failed

12) "Hello. I am interested in investing in Warner Music Group. What products do they have on the horizon? This might give me an idea as to if I want to invest in this organization." (Broker) "I am sorry Mr. John Q. Public but we are not privy to their product list. We do not know what products they are bringing to market. WMG happens to primarily be a record company and record companies usually have a release schedule that lists their upcoming releases (products). Unfortunately, WMG, a public company, does not make this information public."

New Products = Failed

13) We asked Edgar Bronfman, the head of the worlds fourth largest music company, at the Reuters Summit whether any of his seven kids stole music.Im fairly certain that they have, and Im fairly certain that theyve suffered the consequences. We couldnt begin to guess what that means. He explained to our Second Life reporter, Adam Pasick: I explained to them what I believe is right, that the principle is that stealing music is stealing music. Frankly, right is right and wrong is wrong, particularly when a parent is talking to a child. A bright line around moral responsibility is very important. I can assure you they no longer do that. Great, but what did he do to them?
I think Ill keep that within the family. Where is the RIAA?

Piracy Prevention = Failed

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#451642 - 11/10/07 02:51 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: electro]
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And as we all know how Mel and Doug silently laugh at how Junior took that liability named Lyor.
Hmmmm...I like that Liability Cohen.

Anyway...interesting to note how many more artists just one division inside Universal (Republic) has broken more acts, especially new artists than WMG combined.

Now if Liability and his crew were so Urban savvy, where is their Chris Brown? Their Kanye?

Kallman, the poster boy for "Hide Under Your Desk and Ride the Wave"..well now that the dance hall no longer dances, what has he come up with?
Julie? Kevin?
Anyone?

Oh Yes...Led Zeppelin to digital.
Who gives a shit.

The dance and spin of Edgar was masterful.

How much do we love Irving for the fucking he just landed them on the Eagles?
Bravo my friend!
That would have been a nice Q4 yelp for you Junior.

Who was stupid enough to believe Lyor could run this company?
Scott?
Any answers to that darlin?
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#451646 - 11/10/07 03:12 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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Okay, for the band that just signed to a WMG label (nope, it wasn't me, but someone I know), is there any chance that their label will be so committed to a turnaround that they will promote the hell out of the band and make them famous?

Or is it more likely that their CD won't even see the light of day?

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#451647 - 11/10/07 03:15 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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Is he getting a 4Q bounce on catalog off the Wal-Mart gold rush? That's how they justify the clusterfuck.
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#451651 - 11/10/07 03:20 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: actionsports]
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 Originally Posted By: actionsports
Okay, for the band that just signed to a WMG label (nope, it wasn't me, but someone I know), is there any chance that their label will be so committed to a turnaround that they will promote the hell out of the band and make them famous?

Or is it more likely that their CD won't even see the light of day?


Dead Men Walking...

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#451654 - 11/10/07 03:41 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: electro]
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 Originally Posted By: electro
 Originally Posted By: actionsports
Okay, for the band that just signed to a WMG label, is there any chance that their label will promote the hell out of the band and make them famous? Or is it more likely that their CD won't even see the light of day?


Dead Men Walking...



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#451661 - 11/10/07 04:18 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: electro]
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Is WMG finally is hitting the point of no return? Impossible to spin the negative news anymore. Stock at single digits. And the Eagles success story is just too huge, probably the album of the year. Coming right after the very public Madonna defection. Every new model success story just seems predicated on a colossal WMG failure.
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#451664 - 11/10/07 04:38 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: muraco]
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The real spin should be WMG:
Dick Snyder
Madonna
The Eagles
Silencers/Machine Guns
Brothers in Law
Stock Shorting
and..........what did Parsons really know?
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#451666 - 11/10/07 04:53 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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14) Let us never underestimate the role of a leader. In business the Chairman sets the tone and style of the company. There is a level of responsibilty and guidance that goes with that title. What kind of leaders are we incubating at WMG? Look at the Snyder-Bronfman situation. Dick introduced Junior to many and set meetings in place. Do any of you recall the almost purchase of Columbia House by the two and Blackstone? The meeting with Nicoli at Snyder's country house? Snyder's ability to get access to Warner Music's books? (Ames was still the guy in charge but it was Dick Parsons that had Helen Murphy open the financials.) With so many "urban heavyweights" at WMG one would think that the concept of "respect" would have deeper meaning and relevance. It does not. It is a den of thieves. There is no respect at the top and that trickles down acting as a tributary composed of bad faith and bile feeding into the vomit stream.

Leadership, Character, Loyalty, Respect. = Failed.

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#451679 - 11/10/07 06:00 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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A walk through the vaults of WMG's greatest hits so to speak.
The news blurbs:

Statement From Warner Music Group Corp. Regarding EMI plc

Statement From Warner Music Group Corp. Regarding EMI plc
NEW YORK, NY, Jun 11, 2007 -- Warner Music Group Corp. (NYSE: WMG) confirms that it continues actively to consider an offer for EMI Group plc. Such an offer would be pre-conditional on appropriate anti-trust clearances being obtained (or the pre-conditions waived) but not subject to any other pre-condition. A further announcement will be made in due course.

Well boys....what happened?


Warner/Chappell Music Signs Worldwide Publishing Agreement With R&B Singer/Songwriter Lloyd
NEW YORK, NY, May 17, 2007


And this amounted to?


Warner/Chappell Music Signs Worldwide Publishing Agreement With LeToya

This is Earth shattering!!!


Warner Music Group Names JetBlue's Peter Scherr, Vice President of Interactive Marketing

Executive Responsible for Development of jetblue.com to Support WMG's Interactive Marketing Efforts

Who the fuck is he and what has he done lately?

Warner Music Group Hires Music and Television Veterans Ignjatovic and Prager to Lead Newly Created Original Programming Division
New "Den of Thieves" Unit Teams Veteran MTV Series Creator and Executive Producer of 2007 MTV Video Music Awards With Seasoned Music Executive

Ah the legendary Den of Thieves!! Go get 'em fellas.


Hybrid Technologies Selects Warner Music Group To Bring Environmentally-Friendly Electric Lithium Vehicles To The Music Community
Multi-Platinum Recording Artist, James Blunt, to Encourage Fans to Go Green by Driving Electric Mini Cooper

Someone should encourage James Blunt to sell some fucking records.

Acclaim Games Launches DANCE! Online Game Featuring Music and Artists From Warner Music Group

BIG !!!!!!!


Warner Music Group's Independent Label Group (ILG) Signs Minneapolis-Based Rhymesayers Entertainment

OTC to date please?


Further Statement Regarding Potential Warner Music Group Corp. Proposal to Acquire EMI Group plc
NEW YORK, NY, Feb 21, 2007


And we danced!!!


Warner Music Announces Strategic Initiatives in Middle East and North Africa

Those are huge markets. Roll out those cassettes that you no longer manufacture Eddie.


Warner Music Group and Brightcove Unveil New Video Initiative
Deal Further Expands WMG's Video Content Monetization Opportunities


Profits so far? Any seven figure checks?

Asylum Records Announces Partnership With Aphilliates Music Group

Again oh say OTC!

Give Callers the Star Treatment With Cingular's Exclusive Answer Tones Recorded by Warner Music Group Artists
Innovative "Say My Name" Program Allows Customers to Include Their Own Name in Answer Tones


Isn't that a Beyonce' song? Isn't she signed to Sony?
Hmmm. How about "Hello, my name is Lyor."


Alternative Distribution Alliance Names Mitchell Wolk, Executive Vice President

Andy goes fishing.

The Biz Online Reality Competition Kicks Off Revealing The Top 25 Contestants Ready To Make It Big In The Music Business

Contestant number one: Edgar Bronfman Jr.

Atlantic Records Group Chairman and CEO Jason Flom Steps Down
Craig Kallman Named Chairman and CEO


And there goes your entire ability to have rock records, I mean it's not like they're selling.
Welcome Craig-O! Bringing in the hits.

Sean "P.Diddy" Combs and Bad Boy Entertainment Form Joint Venture with Warner Music Group

OTC? ABC, 1,2,3 ..c'mon kiddies join in!

Richard Blackstone To Be Named Chairman And CEO Of Warner/Chappell Music, Inc.


This lasted a lifetime... in dog years.
His replacement...Casper the Ghost. Well might as well have been.

Linkin Park to Donate $100,000 to American Red Cross for Eastern Africa, Southeast Asia Natural Disaster Relief
Out of the millions taken from WMG!

Warner Music Singapore to Come Under Su Kong Cheah's Supervision

This man is an icon!!!

Warner Music Group Urges Voters To Make Their Voices Heard And the voices of shareholders?

Atlantic Catches Cold
Acclaimed Rockers Join Label Via Flip Deal

Should have left this as Atlantic Catches Cold

Bider To Be Honored With Prestigious Award By Songwriters Hall Of Fame

And then gets fired.

Helen Murphy To Leave Warner Music Group

Hello EMI!

I will continue..but isn't this all grand!!??
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#451702 - 11/10/07 08:17 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: been_there]
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Meet Edgar Bronfman, Jr.: King Midas in Reverse.
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#451752 - 11/11/07 12:57 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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 Originally Posted By: AbbeBigou
A walk through the vaults of WMG's greatest hits so to speak.
The news blurbs:

Statement From Warner Music Group Corp. Regarding EMI plc

Statement From Warner Music Group Corp. Regarding EMI plc
NEW YORK, NY, Jun 11, 2007 -- Warner Music Group Corp. (NYSE: WMG) confirms that it continues actively to consider an offer for EMI Group plc. Such an offer would be pre-conditional on appropriate anti-trust clearances being obtained (or the pre-conditions waived) but not subject to any other pre-condition. A further announcement will be made in due course.

Well boys....what happened?


Warner/Chappell Music Signs Worldwide Publishing Agreement With R&B Singer/Songwriter Lloyd
NEW YORK, NY, May 17, 2007


And this amounted to?


Warner/Chappell Music Signs Worldwide Publishing Agreement With LeToya

This is Earth shattering!!!


Warner Music Group Names JetBlue's Peter Scherr, Vice President of Interactive Marketing

Executive Responsible for Development of jetblue.com to Support WMG's Interactive Marketing Efforts

Who the fuck is he and what has he done lately?

Warner Music Group Hires Music and Television Veterans Ignjatovic and Prager to Lead Newly Created Original Programming Division
New "Den of Thieves" Unit Teams Veteran MTV Series Creator and Executive Producer of 2007 MTV Video Music Awards With Seasoned Music Executive

Ah the legendary Den of Thieves!! Go get 'em fellas.


Hybrid Technologies Selects Warner Music Group To Bring Environmentally-Friendly Electric Lithium Vehicles To The Music Community
Multi-Platinum Recording Artist, James Blunt, to Encourage Fans to Go Green by Driving Electric Mini Cooper

Someone should encourage James Blunt to sell some fucking records.

Acclaim Games Launches DANCE! Online Game Featuring Music and Artists From Warner Music Group

BIG !!!!!!!


Warner Music Group's Independent Label Group (ILG) Signs Minneapolis-Based Rhymesayers Entertainment

OTC to date please?


Further Statement Regarding Potential Warner Music Group Corp. Proposal to Acquire EMI Group plc
NEW YORK, NY, Feb 21, 2007


And we danced!!!


Warner Music Announces Strategic Initiatives in Middle East and North Africa

Those are huge markets. Roll out those cassettes that you no longer manufacture Eddie.


Warner Music Group and Brightcove Unveil New Video Initiative
Deal Further Expands WMG's Video Content Monetization Opportunities


Profits so far? Any seven figure checks?

Asylum Records Announces Partnership With Aphilliates Music Group

Again oh say OTC!

Give Callers the Star Treatment With Cingular's Exclusive Answer Tones Recorded by Warner Music Group Artists
Innovative "Say My Name" Program Allows Customers to Include Their Own Name in Answer Tones


Isn't that a Beyonce' song? Isn't she signed to Sony?
Hmmm. How about "Hello, my name is Lyor."


Alternative Distribution Alliance Names Mitchell Wolk, Executive Vice President

Andy goes fishing.

The Biz Online Reality Competition Kicks Off Revealing The Top 25 Contestants Ready To Make It Big In The Music Business

Contestant number one: Edgar Bronfman Jr.

Atlantic Records Group Chairman and CEO Jason Flom Steps Down
Craig Kallman Named Chairman and CEO


And there goes your entire ability to have rock records, I mean it's not like they're selling.
Welcome Craig-O! Bringing in the hits.

Sean "P.Diddy" Combs and Bad Boy Entertainment Form Joint Venture with Warner Music Group

OTC? ABC, 1,2,3 ..c'mon kiddies join in!

Richard Blackstone To Be Named Chairman And CEO Of Warner/Chappell Music, Inc.


This lasted a lifetime... in dog years.
His replacement...Casper the Ghost. Well might as well have been.

Linkin Park to Donate $100,000 to American Red Cross for Eastern Africa, Southeast Asia Natural Disaster Relief
Out of the millions taken from WMG!

Warner Music Singapore to Come Under Su Kong Cheah's Supervision

This man is an icon!!!

Warner Music Group Urges Voters To Make Their Voices Heard And the voices of shareholders?

Atlantic Catches Cold
Acclaimed Rockers Join Label Via Flip Deal

Should have left this as Atlantic Catches Cold

Bider To Be Honored With Prestigious Award By Songwriters Hall Of Fame

And then gets fired.

Helen Murphy To Leave Warner Music Group

Hello EMI!

I will continue..but isn't this all grand!!??


And the hits just keep coming!

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#451756 - 11/11/07 01:51 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Bill Lumbergh]
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You know, this Edgar fuck, damn he's been boring, a fucking idiot, for far fucking too long. That's it. He sucks, sucked, and always will suck. I'm sick of fucking Edgar. I'm putting him on IGNORE.

How about a couple of you insiders get together, toss up a masthead, polish this shit up. Target the investment market.

Hey, if you come across something promising you want to hype, go for it.

But for the moment: bring WMG down.

Think NASCAR, pimp up some jackets: nothing like a good car crash.

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#451760 - 11/11/07 02:24 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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 Originally Posted By: AbbeBigou
Who was stupid enough to believe Lyor could run this company?




Who wouldn't trust this guy to run a record company?

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#451767 - 11/11/07 04:07 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: QueenSheDevilCow]
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What a maroon! Of course you know, dis means war!
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#451785 - 11/11/07 08:44 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: goldears]
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LOL, A former bouncer at a LA club!!!!!!! LOL
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#451796 - 11/11/07 10:25 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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1) The mantra of finding new distribution channels has been a farce. WMG is selling it's wares to all of the same entities as the other majors. Well, as of last week, except Nokia and Amazon.

New Distribution Channels = Failed.

2) Extending WMG's global reach was something that Edgar made tall mention of since last year's year end. WMG is the smallest major when it comes to the international world. It is a big planet Edgar. Much bigger than your table at the Four Seasons, the new townhouse, the Quebec liquor commission, the club in the Hamptons and your alimony checks.

Extending Global Reach = Failed.

3) The opportunities in mobile are endless. Well, we know that is not the case. We also know that most of the mobile music content purchases are of the hip-hop/urban variety. This is a dying genre falling off faster than all of the others. Your executive music team (outside of Whalley) has their core competencies in urban music. Thus, your executives' collective skillset is dying off as well. Actually, it is irrelevant.

Mobile Opportunities = Failed.

4) In September Edgar stated in a keynote that beyond anything in the business the most important thing is discovering new talent. Pray tell, how are you doing this? Where are you doing this? Who is doing this? An even bolder statement was "A&R is our R&D." Do you think you are DuPont now? That is where you lost over $3,000,000,000.00 of the family fortune. Your artists are dying off, being dropped, leaving or simply giving up. At the 75 Rockefeller board room listening party for Madonna's last album you referred to her as "our queen." Your queen went to another kingdom. Queen? Whore? Opportunist? Either way, she left.

A%R = Failed.

5) A couple years ago Scott Sperling jumped into the ring. He was very vocal about the finances that WMG had and that they were going to aggressively grow the business.

Liquidity = Failed.

6) Edgar's excuse for losing deals is a newfound buzz phrase called "financial discipline". So, we go from "aggressively growing" to "financial discipline." Alright then. Should the business not have been financially disciplined from the outset? How do we explain the club in the Hamptons? $110m from the Napster settlement could not help? You stole a man's laptop and you do not even use it. At least that would have brought the IT bill down.

Financial Discipline = Failed.

7) "Moving forward we are going to partner with our artists in all revenue streams." Sounds a bit like the towering inferno that was Sanctuary. You can do all of the the 360's that you want. Then, as your brain continues to spin in what is already perpetual dizziness your vomit will create the only real new stream by which you can raft. The concept of a 360 is you start at point A and end up at point A. A 180 would be more appropriate and at least put you in a different spot. The Eagles, a legacy Warner artist, partnered with Wal-Mart. Madonna partnered with Live(for now)Nation. Will T.I. partner with Smith and Wesson? Kid Rock with Marlboro? My Chemical Romance with Maybelline?

Partnering with Artists = Failed

360 Anything = Failed

8) The Top 200. WMG has a total of 4 albums that have sold platinum. 3 of which are just over the platinum limit.

The Charts = Failed

9) "We are going to move ahead of the industry dynamic." Brilliant!

Responsible Statements = Failed

10) "Our marketshare grew 1% point last year." You are a public company. In the last year the only share that you should care about is your company's share price. I am looking at a share price of $27.24 52 weeks ago to a low yesterday of $7.26.

"Sharing" = Failed

WMG = F



Kudos for providing such an outstanding & thorough report card (and this is only the 1st half of 14 pts!)...along with Abbe's, it is quite a testament to the greed & stupidity that has laid waste to the once great legacy that was WEA.

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#451816 - 11/11/07 12:12 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Bill Lumbergh]
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 Originally Posted By: Bill Lumbergh
Meet Edgar Bronfman, Jr.: King Midas in Reverse.


Good one Bill!

"From Rags to riches to rags in 3 generations" -
What Sam Bronfman, Eddie's grandfather, was afraid of


"The Bronfmans are always great theater"
David Plotz, Slate.com

Unless you work for Eddie Jr., then it's disaster theater.


Editor's Note: Edgar Jr's Blind Faith From 2003, about the Vivendi deal:
"In retrospect, one can ask: how do you trade away a $34 billion business for stock? (The stock price was $77.35 when the merger was announced; it closed at $15.45 on Feb. 11.) What motivated Edgar Jr. to have blind faith in the Vivendi CEO, Jean-Marie Messier, who turned out to have blind ambition and not much else? What caused him to make the decision that undermined the vast wealth of a family, wealth that had been amassed over three generations?

In this issue, Canadian writer Brian Milner, a seasoned business reporter and observer of the Bronfmans, weaves a heart-wrenching tale of how Edgar Jr., with his father's blessing, put much of their family's eggs in a basket led by a man seemingly out of control."


Lyor = JM Messier in 2007?
Jr does not have a good history of picking the right people to work with.

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#451826 - 11/11/07 12:35 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Prot]
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 Originally Posted By: Prot
 Originally Posted By: Bill Lumbergh
Meet Edgar Bronfman, Jr.: King Midas in Reverse.


Good one Bill!

"From Rags to riches to rags in 3 generations" -
What Sam Bronfman, Eddie's grandfather, was afraid of


"The Bronfmans are always great theater"
David Plotz, Slate.com

Unless you work for Eddie Jr., then it's disaster theater.


Editor's Note: Edgar Jr's Blind Faith From 2003, about the Vivendi deal:
"In retrospect, one can ask: how do you trade away a $34 billion business for stock? (The stock price was $77.35 when the merger was announced; it closed at $15.45 on Feb. 11.) What motivated Edgar Jr. to have blind faith in the Vivendi CEO, Jean-Marie Messier, who turned out to have blind ambition and not much else? What caused him to make the decision that undermined the vast wealth of a family, wealth that had been amassed over three generations?

In this issue, Canadian writer Brian Milner, a seasoned business reporter and observer of the Bronfmans, weaves a heart-wrenching tale of how Edgar Jr., with his father's blessing, put much of their family's eggs in a basket led by a man seemingly out of control."


Lyor = JM Messier in 2007?
Jr does not have a good history of picking the right people to work with.



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#451943 - 11/11/07 07:19 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: been_there]
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WMG's private equity investors want the share price to go into free fall. They know that this is the best way for their exit to occur. Once the share price is in the $5 range Terra Firma will jump all over WMG. And, my friends, this is exactly what the powers that be at WMG want to occur. It is not a matter of if, but when at this point. The WMG brass casheds out netting a fantastic profit and Terra Firma gets a fantastic deal.
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#451948 - 11/11/07 07:28 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: HisMasVoice]
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"Okay, for the band that just signed to a WMG label (nope, it wasn't me, but someone I know), is there any chance that their label will be so committed to a turnaround that they will promote the hell out of the band and make them famous?

Or is it more likely that their CD won't even see the light of day?"

I remember not too long ago a record had to be a MONSTER hit to warrant more than two singles. They were timeless albums. Michael Jackson's "Thriller", Alanis Morissette's, "Jagged Little Pill" - Today record companies are so afraid of making a mistake that they are throwing all their money on proven horses. Money is being "Shifted" at staff marketing meetings. Funds earmarked for "Boys Like Girls", "Against Me" and "Coheed and Cambria" are being used to promote 4th, 5th, and sometimes, "gulp", 6th singles from the likes of "Fergie", "Timberlake" and "Beyonce".

This is NOT a time to be a developing artist on a Major label....
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#451956 - 11/11/07 08:00 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: wiljiro]
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 Originally Posted By: wiljiro

Or is it more likely that their CD won't even see the light of day?"


Three words: Pay or Play

Those are the most important words any new artist on Warner can read. Tell em to check the contract.

All of this corporate uncertainty could end up being a blessing for them with dissolved contract and a nice check attached that could allow them to do it themselves.

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#452063 - 11/12/07 08:42 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: HisMasVoice]
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 Originally Posted By: HisMasVoice
WMG's private equity investors want the share price to go into free fall. They know that this is the best way for their exit to occur. Once the share price is in the $5 range Terra Firma will jump all over WMG. And, my friends, this is exactly what the powers that be at WMG want to occur. It is not a matter of if, but when at this point. The WMG brass casheds out netting a fantastic profit and Terra Firma gets a fantastic deal.


agreed. that's all any of this has been about at wmg since the dilettante took over. they were never growing a business, just fleecing the sheep.

at the risk of repeating myself. the principals have been anticipating the emiwmg for years. they are earnestly in acquisition mode. see tiger whalley, and although we seemingly disagree as to his current and short term future role there...

he ain't breaking records,.. thats for sure.

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#452104 - 11/12/07 11:21 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: QueenSheDevilCow]
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What's that, a picture from the upcoming Comedy Central Roast of Howdy Doody? Fuck him and his cheese grater. Heading over to the financial pagfe to see how the stock opened. Gloat with you later.
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#452153 - 11/12/07 01:03 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: goldears]
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With all of the issues at WMG one would think that current or ex-WMG people would be more involved in this dialogue. All fingers have pointed at the leadership but if the troops do not care the war is over. I believe that this is the case here. A shame really as proactive troops can make a difference. Silence equals death.
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#452159 - 11/12/07 01:13 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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Anything specific for Atlantic and Reprise? A&R folks still seem to be signing bands.
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#452169 - 11/12/07 01:38 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: actionsports]
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WOW At 7 bucks a share, that might not be a bad investment, I remember having WMG (Time Warner) stock when it was like $44.00 a share.
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#452255 - 11/12/07 04:11 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: music maven]
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Let us not forget that some of the key people who drive innovation inside WMG. The R&D IT staff, the security staff, the email staff, are all gone.

Since July, the director of R&D left, 80% of the email admins left, resulting in a 200,000 pending queue of hate mail to ebj. 90% of the security team left. Project managers are pointing fingers at IT managers that have nothing to do with their projects, solely to save face to upper management.

The outsourcing deal to India, yea that's months behind schedule in every single thing they're trying to do.

When your day to day operational capability, and future growth is utterly decimated. The company falls apart from within.

I completely agree that EBJ's wife and her venture cap friends are waiting for the price to fall, someone else with ideas of grandeurs steps in and hands them a golden parachute.

The only thing that would have saved WMG over a year ago, was to go into the digital market almost completely. Open up your own store with the full catalog, each song for price X, whole cd's at a discount, like 8 bucks, deliver new releases digitally a week before hard cd's to build them up. Oh and DROP THE GOD DAMN DRM. Aim for mass quantity and you'll recoup your losses on the few people that "steal" the song and put it on their laptop and ipod, or give it to a friend.

I really want to know how wallstreet VC firms can be convinced to let EBJ have a damn job again. I want that meeting recorded because it'd honestly be a brilliant piece of footage to learn from.

Hey I can be a complete fool who's business practices can only be described as "clownshoes", give me billions to play with!

I feel for the poor folks still left there, I hope they all get a better gig soon where they'll be happy.

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#452259 - 11/12/07 04:29 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Spikerz]
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Let us not forget that some of the key people who drive innovation inside WMG. The R&D IT staff, the security staff, the email staff, are all gone.


If you call what they did 'innovation' I'd have to disagree. They should have been fired. For what they did you really could and probably should outsource it to India or the Philippines where you can find a worker for $20k a head with no benefits.

Honestly I think most of the majors could fire their digital/new media departments and never miss a beat. Most of them do nothing but wait for outside companies to ask to use the content and supply them once they have extracted their pound of flesh for licensing.

Maybe that works for them in their own path of least resistance way... but I think if you hire a staff and pay them more than the national average they should be able to bring something to the table instead of them doing just enough to collect a check. I know, I'm delusional. We are talking the majors after all.

Security staff? Email staff? Jeebus.

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#452293 - 11/12/07 05:22 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Joda]
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morris is truly having the final laugh. jr should have renamed wmg ebb tide...as rising tide did ok.

wmg had over three billion in revenues under morgado's last year there, fifteen years ago then fired everyone or they quit.

jr. makes morgado look like a record guy by comparison. anyone know if morgado was a songwriter too?

morris to jr: "do as i say, not as i do"... "you bailed me out, i gotcha".."hire cohen, he's tough, street smart, fingers on the pulse..knows this new shit, really"...."oh yeah, i'll take sylvia back, its cool.."

..so what does he do? upped the bob's big boy kid and gave the mouth breather a new lease...and bought a maybach with his ( now ) pennies on the dollar stock.

unbelieveable.

and now the ski lodge is a mausoleum.

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#452310 - 11/12/07 06:01 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: rkt88]
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looks like Lenny's gonna have a winner on his $6.66 contest sooner than later?

article from alley insider...

Perhaps emboldened by his last call on Warner Music Group, Pali's Rich Greenfield has issued his second downgrade (reg. required) on WMG this month. He just whacked WMG to $5; this follows his Nov. 1 cut from $10 to $7.50 (as of 2:30pm, shares were hovering around $8.20).

Rich is specifically worried about retailers cutting back on floorspace for CDs next year; he thinks big boxes may claw back more than 30% of the space they dedicate to music in 2008, which is in line with what we've heard. And the present tense is already awful -- industrywide, domestic CD sales in Q4 are already down 22% to 24% y/y, depending on how you count them.

Rumor du jour has EMI and new owners Terra Firma waiting for WMG to fall even further, then trying to finally combine the two companies once and for all. We understand that there are cost-savings to extract between the two, and that both have attractive catalogs and publishing operations. But we're not convinced that doubling down on a major label bet is the best call at this point.

Related: WMG: Crushed
Music Decline To Accelerate In 2008 With Retailer Cutbacks

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#452319 - 11/12/07 06:16 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Spikerz]
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Spikerz, obviously you are or were on the inside. What can you confirm re the Finance/Account/Royalty departments and the inability to properly process statements along with missing deadlines? Your perspectives seem to come from the ground level. Unfortunately, my information comes from the top level. Without the ground you cannot have a top. We need more of your kind to speak out.
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#452325 - 11/12/07 06:28 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: violetsprl]
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But we're not convinced that doubling down on a major label bet is the best call at this point.


perhaps not for any potential investors, but perfectly fine for the seventeen geniuses who float this shit. and still there's yet another small fortune to be made by combining them, slashing them, and one day getting around to selling ringtones of "love is all you need" and "the last resort"...

this all really started when the king biscuit flower hour guy hired the cheerios guy. i kid, but not by much. i used to laugh..fucking food guys running label groups. but on second thought, i'd take the food guys over the bankers.

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#452338 - 11/12/07 07:09 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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WMG: How Low Can It Go? Will EMI Buy?
Peter Kafka | November 12, 2007 2:35 PM
Perhaps emboldened by his last call on Warner Music Group, Pali's Rich Greenfield has issued his second downgrade (reg. required) on WMG this month. He just whacked WMG to $5; this follows his Nov. 1 cut from $10 to $7.50 (as of 2:30pm, shares were hovering around $8.20).

This is lovely, no?

Now Edgar, listen up.
Here is the save.
Talkers are talking about you putting Tiger Woods in as head of N.A.
Not a bad idea.
Lose Liability Cohen, award Tom for all of his fine work (real or not) and show a restructuring about to happen.
You know merge it all and let Tommy call the shots.

Gotta do something dramatic no?
Or wait until this puppy hits 4.00 a share and see the toilet up close and personal.

Unless the real end game are orders: Let this rock sink and we'll hump it one more time!

Dry hump indeed.
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#452340 - 11/12/07 07:19 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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WMG @4.25...I'm in, only if Tommy is callin' it
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#452341 - 11/12/07 07:21 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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Spikerz, obviously you are or were on the inside. What can you confirm re the Finance/Account/Royalty departments and the inability to properly process statements along with missing deadlines? Your perspectives seem to come from the ground level. Unfortunately, my information comes from the top level. Without the ground you cannot have a top. We need more of your kind to speak out.


The only side to the royalties that I saw was that the universal/wmg project was over 3 years behind and royalties was running on hardware that's over 12 years old. So lateness of processing wouldn't surprise me. The outsource people from India were supposed to have a major hand in taking over that side from the American staff, I'd heard there were insanely long timeline pushbacks, 2 months into the project they were already 3 months behind their projections.

But hey that's what wining and dining the top technology execs in India for 10 days will get you.

The finance stuff I saw was random directors green lighting AD changes that bring down Hyperion. No clue where the CIO is on her implementation of SAP instead of Oracle financials.

I've heard "rumors" that EBj may or may not have, hired an outside security consulting company (that he may or may not sit on the board of) to perform a security audit. Said audit may or may not have been launched via a trojan opened by an exec, which sent all login info to outside company like any of the numerous trojans would. It also seems that the only execs targeted by said malicious bit of code were EBJ's direct reports and all their email/data may or may not have been compromised. It would be shocking to think that such an audit was not communicated to the proper internal employees, or that it may or may not have targeted those execs for a specific reason. Again merely a rumor.

The talent that's kept wmg together in all areas A&R/IT/marketing /etc has left or is desperately trying to leave.

The R&D staff I mentioned before was on the technology side. They saw all their ideas and carefully prepared presentations on how to correctly leverage WMG's best ideas using existing and up and coming technology, tossed out the window. Resulting in their frustration and eventual departure for greener pastures.

I do know that from a technology stand point the US ignores WMI. WMI has some of the best and smartest people I have had to absolute pleasure of meeting, and tossing back several pints with. They are the die hards, that truly want a successful company.

Whoever is smart enough to swoop on that talent for their own agency is going to get one heck of a deal.

I'm stoked for the people who jumped out of the crashing plane while they could, I just hope everyone else is able to make it out.

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#452342 - 11/12/07 07:23 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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 Originally Posted By: MaterMagna
With all of the issues at WMG one would think that current or ex-WMG people would be more involved in this dialogue. All fingers have pointed at the leadership but if the troops do not care the war is over. I believe that this is the case here. A shame really as proactive troops can make a difference. Silence equals death.


What troops? Who's left? It's a death watch...

Jr. wanted to show he could make his comeback with the WMG deal...he made his partners a bunch of money at the cost of many employees who had their livelihoods cut & slashed...that's loyalty for ya...ha!(with apologies to Rkt's signature)

Now Jr. will forever be remembered for taking down one of the greatest labels...bad Karma for a true hack...cavier anyone?

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#452345 - 11/12/07 07:28 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Spikerz]
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And here we have folks, in a nutshell, the transferance of America's Corporate Information gathering POWER to...what.....INDiA!!!...DUH!!!!

"The only side to the royalties that I saw was that the universal/wmg project was over 3 years behind and royalties was running on hardware that's over 12 years old. So lateness of processing wouldn't surprise me. The outsource people from India were supposed to have a major hand in taking over that side from the American staff"


...what's the talk of the audit for????...by the time all this get's "Ironed Out" ala India...its in the trash bin


..Den of Thieves everywhere....any artist contract should have a specific clause as to AICPA guidelines and oversight for determination and collection of royalties OUTSIDE of OUT sourcing...outsource all you want...but the initial audit trail best be able to be determined by US finance peeps

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#452353 - 11/12/07 07:58 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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someone asked for "more news from the bottom". heh.

anyone wanna see the real memo/edict informing them not to buy any more paper plates in burbank? these guys float shitpaper, but can no longer afford paper fucking plates. i mean, i could see it had it been a danny "save a tree" goldberg edict, but no..

priceless.


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#452363 - 11/12/07 08:39 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: HisMasVoice]
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18. The Savoy deal.


I've been kinda busy lately, what's this about??? Dist. deal? Buyout?

WTF?

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#452365 - 11/12/07 09:04 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Guymandude]
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What about some of the over paid exec hacks in the WBR Burbank office?
Jeremy Welt comes to mind, who else?

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#452377 - 11/12/07 10:18 PM Warner urges mobile groups to get musical [Re: AbbeBigou]
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Here's an article from Today's Financial Times (online at least).

Thought you would all get a kick out of it especially 1/2 way through page 2 where the writer implies that WMG is still considering a purchase of EMI???!!!


Warner urges mobile groups to get musical

By Joshua Chaffin in New York
Monday Nov 12 2007 21:35
Edgar Bronfman, Warner Music's chief executive, is warning the mobile phone industry to improve its music offerings or face losing out in the burgeoning market to Apple, Google (NASDAQ:GOOG) and other new competitors.

Mr Bronfman argues that mobile phone manufacturers must make their phones easier to use as music devices and move beyond ringtones to embrace new and more imaginative products if they are to fuel growth of the $2bn business.

"With Apple's iPhone innovation and Google coming in, if the mobile phone industry doesn't respond with highly competitive offerings, they're going to watch their share of the opportunity diminish," Mr Bronfman told the Financial Times.

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Music executives are looking to the world's 3bn mobile phone subscribers as a vital source of growth for an industry still suffering the consequences from its failure a decade ago to recognise and adapt to technological change.

Warner shares fell last week to an all-time low of less than $8, well below the $17 level at which it floated two years ago. Richard Greenfield, an analyst at Pali Research, on Monday predicted that Warner shares could fall to $5 amid a further erosion in compact disc sales, the industry's biggest source of cash.

While digital downloads have grown rapidly in recent years and now account for 15 per cent of Warner's total revenues, they have failed to offset the losses in the physical business.

Music executives have also found themselves at the mercy of Apple, which has used its clout as the maker of the iPod to impose a regime of low and uniform prices.

"What happened took people by surprise and it took me by surprise," Mr Bronfman said of the speed of the CD market's collapse, but he declined to address Warner's share performance.

Mr Bronfman and his private equity partners, which together control about 70 per cent of Warner's shares, have been mulling a range of strategic options that include securitising Warner's music publishing catalogue, making another offer for rival EMI or going private. However, the turmoil in the credit markets has made many of those options more difficult to pursue, and none appear imminent, a person close to the company said.

In the meantime, Warner and other music companies believe mobile phones offer the best hope to generate new growth and establish a rival to Apple's dominant iTunes service. "The music industry has never had the opportunity before to address 3bn subscribers," Mr Bronfman said.

link to article here

http://us.ft.com/ftgateway/superpage.ft?news_id=fto111220072145103166&page=1


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#452386 - 11/12/07 10:58 PM Re: Warner urges mobile groups to get musical [Re: wheredidigowrong]
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What offer is EBj making? Please buy my sorry, stupid ass? Mommmmmmmmmyyyyyyyyyy!!!!!!!!
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#452387 - 11/12/07 10:59 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Spikerz]
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 Originally Posted By: Spikerz
 Originally Posted By: MaterMagna
Spikerz, obviously you are or were on the inside. What can you confirm re the Finance/Account/Royalty departments and the inability to properly process statements along with missing deadlines? Your perspectives seem to come from the ground level. Unfortunately, my information comes from the top level. Without the ground you cannot have a top. We need more of your kind to speak out.


The only side to the royalties that I saw was that the universal/wmg project was over 3 years behind and royalties was running on hardware that's over 12 years old. So lateness of processing wouldn't surprise me. The outsource people from India were supposed to have a major hand in taking over that side from the American staff, I'd heard there were insanely long timeline pushbacks, 2 months into the project they were already 3 months behind their projections.

But hey that's what wining and dining the top technology execs in India for 10 days will get you.

The finance stuff I saw was random directors green lighting AD changes that bring down Hyperion. No clue where the CIO is on her implementation of SAP instead of Oracle financials.

I've heard "rumors" that EBj may or may not have, hired an outside security consulting company (that he may or may not sit on the board of) to perform a security audit. Said audit may or may not have been launched via a trojan opened by an exec, which sent all login info to outside company like any of the numerous trojans would. It also seems that the only execs targeted by said malicious bit of code were EBJ's direct reports and all their email/data may or may not have been compromised. It would be shocking to think that such an audit was not communicated to the proper internal employees, or that it may or may not have targeted those execs for a specific reason. Again merely a rumor.

The talent that's kept wmg together in all areas A&R/IT/marketing /etc has left or is desperately trying to leave.

The R&D staff I mentioned before was on the technology side. They saw all their ideas and carefully prepared presentations on how to correctly leverage WMG's best ideas using existing and up and coming technology, tossed out the window. Resulting in their frustration and eventual departure for greener pastures.

I do know that from a technology stand point the US ignores WMI. WMI has some of the best and smartest people I have had to absolute pleasure of meeting, and tossing back several pints with. They are the die hards, that truly want a successful company.

Whoever is smart enough to swoop on that talent for their own agency is going to get one heck of a deal.

I'm stoked for the people who jumped out of the crashing plane while they could, I just hope everyone else is able to make it out.


Scary tales indeed, sounds like a complete infrastructure breakdown along side a morale ,stock price and whatever else breakdown.
Then again, it should not come as a surprise when you consider "management". These guys probably don't know what "IT" stands for and are the same people who profess to bring WMG into a new digital aera.

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#452389 - 11/12/07 11:30 PM Re: Warner urges mobile groups to get musical [Re: wheredidigowrong]
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"What happened took people by surprise and it took me by surprise," Mr Bronfman said of the speed of the CD market's collapse


Priceless!

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#452390 - 11/12/07 11:33 PM Re: Warner urges mobile groups to get musical [Re: wheredidigowrong]
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"What happened took people by surprise and it took me by surprise," Mr Bronfman said of the speed of the CD market's collapse, but he declined to address Warner's share performance.


Right. The decline in CD sales was completely unforeseen.

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#452443 - 11/13/07 08:51 AM Re: Warner urges mobile groups to get musical [Re: QueenSheDevilCow]
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#452477 - 11/13/07 10:43 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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Ummmm, just one thing about the Savoy deal. Savoy has brought in over $2 million in profit to WEA a year since the deal started. Don't think that could be considered one of their failures. I've seen the deal, it's a standard distribution contract, no extra's, no frills and happen to know that Savoy is one of the only labels that has it's sales staff go out on all the retail calls, and they set up their own co-op, deals. So all WEA has to do, is sit back and collect. I'd say that's one of the more equitable deals WEA has under their cap.
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#452525 - 11/13/07 11:39 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: raalsoul]
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http://www.cioinsight.com/print_article2/0,1217,a=165871,00.asp

http://www.exigengroup.com/news/exigen_in_news/pdf/billboard-10-30-04.pdf

I believe it was before Junior's time. But wasn't the joint Royalties project an epic boondoggle?

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#452576 - 11/13/07 12:49 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: muraco]
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They are going to blame it all on the carriers.

Happy Holidays.

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#452609 - 11/13/07 01:33 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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All the knowledgeable and creative people either left on their own or have been cut loose. It has been evident that capability is not a highly desired quality.

The "Catalog Group" is currently run by a group of pirates who obviously do not care to grow or develop anything new. They have no vision, and that doesn't seem to bother them. The absolutely worst businessmen ever seen on the face of the earth. Lately, just when you think it can't get any worse, there is a trend of letting competent lower levels go, cutting back head counts and hiring "friends" at inflated executive levels with inflated salaries. This has been top secret, no information to the underlings, and probably will affect bonuses (HA) etc. The titles given the new pillagers are laughably vague.

The execs make no pretense that they are feasting on the carcass of the Music biz, and want their buddies in on the goodies before the maggots comein and finish it off.

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#452611 - 11/13/07 01:36 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: rkt88]
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No paper plates, no good pens, no private printers. But by God, the Big Paycheck posse still goes to Europe on a whim, and can take whoever out to big expensive dinners. Occasionally they throw a liquor intense party on sight, just to liquor up the employees one thinks, to keep them sedated.
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#452647 - 11/13/07 02:25 PM Joint Royalties Project [Re: muraco]
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Yeah...WTF happened???

classic:....

"DeTullio also says that the platform is being built to be more open, with auditors, and Sarbanes-Oxley, specifically in mind."



..WT F???? so what....40+ Million and 2 1/2 years AGO.,..,.what happened???

...was this the smoke and mirrors as the death of the CD took 'em all down...or maybe just maybe...the fact of DIGITAL distribution, the truth of the bits n bytes...MAKES FOR a much EASIER accounting of downloads, eh????


...going private with the stock...indeedy

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#452662 - 11/13/07 02:40 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: PugRaoul]
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It should make for a good WBR Christmas party, I wonder if Tom will still have it at his house. I loved that house!
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#452669 - 11/13/07 02:44 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: evh5150]
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...maybe it should be a POTluck this year,,,,byob
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#452672 - 11/13/07 02:45 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: rkt88]
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Rkt88 -- reminds me when Reinstein sent a memo around saying if you wet felt tips pens after they run out, you can get an extra week's use of same. Paper plates?? We were dining off Limoges china.
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#452698 - 11/13/07 03:29 PM Re: Warner urges mobile groups to get musical [Re: Earwig]
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"What happened took people by surprise and it took me by surprise," Mr Bronfman said of the speed of the CD market's collapse


Priceless!



Edgar has been quoted on many a panel / forum / in Billboard on "having to sell something other than shiny metal discs" - his exact words - for at least 3-4 years, and how he was going to be a leader in that manner. He is an empty suit.

The overall situation reminds me of fiddling while Rome burns, except there's a team of Neros over there. As I champion the indies and it affects my income not at all it is great fun to watch.

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#452719 - 11/13/07 04:06 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: PugRaoul]
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 Originally Posted By: PugRaoul
No paper plates, no good pens, no private printers. Occasionally they throw a liquor intense party on sight, just to liquor up the employees one thinks, to keep them sedated.


they should all be forced to drink copious amounts of seven and seven for all the good cheer they have engendered. which i suppose jr would have to pay for now.

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#452723 - 11/13/07 04:10 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Syncopat]
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 Originally Posted By: Syncopat
Rkt88 -- reminds me when Reinstein sent a memo around saying if you wet felt tips pens after they run out, you can get an extra week's use of same. Paper plates?? We were dining off Limoges china.


yeah..happy jack, who could barely fit inside joe's private kitchen. hah. ironic given there were record transport trucks worth of cleans falling onto la cienega blvd. on his watch..king of the adverserial audit indeed.

seems to me there are two fundamental differences between the wmg of old vs new:

the old school earned their profligacy..and our cleans were worth something! hah.

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#452740 - 11/13/07 04:58 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: PugRaoul]
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The titles given the new pillagers are laughably vague.

Chief Program Strategist? Senior Metrics Coordinator?
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#452790 - 11/13/07 06:40 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: BigB]
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 Originally Posted By: BigB
The titles given the new pillagers are laughably vague.

Chief Program Strategist? Senior Metrics Coordinator?




good grief !!

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#452815 - 11/13/07 07:30 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: been_there]
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Apparently Edgar's planned spin for the phone call will be something to the effect of:

"The problem for WMG is the carriers (i.e. moblie phones, etc.) have not been able to deliver as quickly as we are capable of providing them content.
We miscalculated cell phone companies being on target with roll outs to become the leading content provider.
We are fully optimistic that once this transition unlocks, WMG will be the clear leader in content providing, bringing a new dawn to the music industry,"

Junior, if you go with this, you are absolutely insane.
More frightening is the uninformed Wall Street might just buy that excuse.

Chicken Little time.

It will be interesting to see Edgar's response to the obvious question of EMI.
This call promises to be fabulous in oh so many ways.
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#452816 - 11/13/07 07:31 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: been_there]
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Have we ever done a side by side comparison of Def Jam (post Lyor) vs. WMG (with Lyor?).

Anyone?
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#452835 - 11/13/07 08:08 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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May I assist with some of the following:
1. The 1985 deal with CBS.
2. Rubin has admitted many times that the original braintrust had no experience and were totally business ignorant.
3. The 1988 Beastie Boys royalty lawsuit.
4. Bill Adler on line 2. (Keep him off of the upcoming year end conference call.)
5. The Rablovsky deal bring Def Jam to Columbia.

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#452866 - 11/13/07 09:44 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: AbbeBigou]
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Have we ever done a side by side comparison of Def Jam (post Lyor) vs. WMG (with Lyor?).

Anyone?


Interesting exercise ,but really not the issue.
Everyone knows what's left here is nothing but a trainwreck. Lyor just was lucky and ruthless enough to parlay his defjam "carreer" into a major gig and pulling out whetever he can. Maybe not good for "Karma", but it pays for the Maybach.

The fault lies with the "sucker" who put this guy into the job in the first place, without proper controls around him ( if such a thing is even possible).The money guys , initially, obviously let Jr. make his picks, but the even bigger fault lies with them for not having stepped on Jr.'s toes when the liability became so obvious.
Looks to me like 360 degrees of incompetence. Combine that with the strategic mega changes going on in the industry and you get what you got.

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#452891 - 11/13/07 10:43 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: been_there]
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someone suggested today that it would be worth the investment to print up 300 or so "Blame James Blunt's Second Album" t-shirts and give them out to the employees to wear on the day of the conference call.
i thought the idea was too hilarious not to share...

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#452985 - 11/14/07 09:35 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: violetsprl]
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Cohen, who was born in New York City in 1960, spent his early childhood in Israel with his parents. He was still a young boy when the family returned to the United States and relocated to Los Angeles, California, where he graduated from Marshall High School in 1977. He attended the University of Miami in Florida majoring in global marketing and finance, then spent the year after graduation with some Ecuadorian schoolmates in their homeland where they attempted to start a shrimp-farming enterprise. The inexperienced, albeit well-connected, entrepreneurs failed in their ambitious venture.
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#452992 - 11/14/07 09:53 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: rkt88]
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"Cohen attended the University of Miami in Florida majoring in global marketing and finance, then spent the year after graduation with some Ecuadorian schoolmates in their homeland where they attempted to start a shrimp-farming enterprise. The inexperienced, albeit well-connected, entrepreneurs failed in their ambitious venture."

Peanuts recalls a happier ending in a similar setting.

The pitch was quite dynamite . . .

"Once upon a time, a man with an IQ of 75, journeyed through life, met historical figures, influenced popular culture and experienced first-hand historic events while largely unaware of their significance, due to his lower than average intelligence."

This man's name was Forrest Gump. His story was written by Winston Groom, and it actually did not hurt its Hollywood supporters.

To think Gump trumped Lyor in every which way. Ouch.


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#452996 - 11/14/07 10:02 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: peanuts]
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the biographer neglected to mention that during cohen's brief yet fortuitous days as a shrimp farmer, he also found time to ghost write the "thong song".
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#453005 - 11/14/07 10:15 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: rkt88]
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"the biographer neglected to mention that during cohen's brief yet fortuitous days as a shrimp farmer, he also found time to ghost write the "thong song".

Peanuts notes this just begs for a sequel. Again, it is important that the star should be looking down at his competition.

Let's see, who here can pitch Tom Hanks in a movie about a one hit wonder?

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#453023 - 11/14/07 10:45 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: been_there]
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Everyone knows what's left here is nothing but a trainwreck. Looks to me like 360 degrees of incompetence.


Hence the new 360 deals.

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#453561 - 11/15/07 08:50 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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In September Edgar stated in a keynote that beyond anything in the business the most important thing is discovering new talent. Pray tell, how are you doing this? Where are you doing this? Who is doing this? An even bolder statement was "A&R is our R&D."


wow. what a forward thinking individual this guy must be. that was the very thing told to goddard lieberson in 1964, resulting in the creation of the first artist development department at columbia by my dear old pop. it worked for them for awhile. hah.

cohen is on death watch there...and not a moment too soon.. tick, tock,.. ding, dong..whatever.

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#453570 - 11/15/07 09:28 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: rkt88]
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[quote=rkt88]
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cohen is on death watch there...and not a moment too soon.. tick, tock,.. ding, dong..whatever.


People have been saying this for the last two years. He has the full support of the people that he needs that support from. He is not going anywhere.

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#453577 - 11/15/07 09:48 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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Sad but true.
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#453605 - 11/15/07 10:27 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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cohen is on death watch there...and not a moment too soon.. tick, tock,.. ding, dong..whatever.


People have been saying this for the last two years. He has the full support of the people that he needs that support from. He is not going anywhere.


And they said it about Azzoli for at least 5 years.

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#453822 - 11/15/07 03:58 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: Hairbland]
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And they said it about Azzoli for at least 5 years.


i never heard them say that..but..what momentous event do we suppose immediately preceded and precipitated azzoli's deprature?

jr buying the joint, of course...and at 5 bucks a share. wmg is a sitting duck...and so goes cohen if and when it gets bought.. says me.

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#453828 - 11/15/07 04:06 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: rkt88]
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Taking advantage of the glorious weather we've had the past few days, yesterday I was lounging by the pool when I overheard a young, tattooed kid excitedly telling his girlfriend about his band's upcoming meeting with Warner Bros. Excusing myself for inadvertantly eavesdropping, I then spent the next 10 minutes explaining the numerous reasons why he and his bandmates should run, screaming, away from anything to do with WMG, citing many of the examples in this thread.

So, consider that the Rope's collective good deed for the day....

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#453843 - 11/15/07 04:30 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: DevilsAdvocate]
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And he told you to go to hell because a bad deal is better than no deal.
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#453845 - 11/15/07 04:36 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: goldears]
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Actually, no...he asked if I knew any good lawyers, though, so I passed along a few names....
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#453848 - 11/15/07 04:41 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: goldears]
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And he told you to go to hell because a bad deal is better than no deal.


Yes, that's the issue. Lefsetz did a newsletter about getting paid where he said that most bands have no talent and will never make any money in music. So the logical extension of that is, "If I'm not going to make any money anyway, I'd rather be signed and not make money than be unsigned and not make any money."

If you are signing away a promising future as an independent artist, avoid the deal.

If, on the other hand, you have no future anyway, why not have an adventure as a signed artist, and then return to the real world in a year or two and get on with your life?

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#453852 - 11/15/07 04:54 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: actionsports]
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Well, that depends.

Say you sign to a WMG-affiliated label right now, spend a few months recording your album and lining up a tour...and suddenly, some seismic change in the upper echelons leads to your A&R rep being caught in the crossfire, so you're orphaned. The label then tells you that there's no way in hell your album will ever see the light of day, at least not through them...but if you want to get the music back, you'll have to pay 'em $100k.

Sound ridiculous? Well, the exact same thing happened to some good friends of mine who signed with East/West in the mid-'90s...only to witness the whole Mo/Lenny fiasco firsthand, after which the scenario I described above unfolded. Of the four members of the band--all supremely talented musicians--one ended up in jail and found God, one is still hooked on fuckin' meth a dozen years later, one died in a car crash...and after a dozen years of struggle, the fourth member finally latched on with a band that's done quite well in the UK of late.

So, while a free ride at the "label's" expense may sound appealing, be very careful what you wish for...especially in the case of the current WMG.
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#453855 - 11/15/07 04:58 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: DevilsAdvocate]
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How the above scenario didn't happen to Wilco just leads me to believe that Tweedy's guardian angel is one connected mofo.
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#453865 - 11/15/07 05:16 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: DevilsAdvocate]
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Well, that depends.

Say you sign to a WMG-affiliated label right now, spend a few months recording your album and lining up a tour...and suddenly, some seismic change in the upper echelons leads to your A&R rep being caught in the crossfire, so you're orphaned. The label then tells you that there's no way in hell your album will ever see the light of day, at least not through them...but if you want to get the music back, you'll have to pay 'em $100k.

Sound ridiculous? Well, the exact same thing happened to some good friends of mine who signed with East/West in the mid-'90s...only to witness the whole Mo/Lenny fiasco firsthand, after which the scenario I described above unfolded. Of the four members of the band--all supremely talented musicians--one ended up in jail and found God, one is still hooked on fuckin' meth a dozen years later, one died in a car crash...and after a dozen years of struggle, the fourth member finally latched on with a band that's done quite well in the UK of late.

So, while a free ride at the "label's" expense may sound appealing, be very careful what you wish for...especially in the case of the current WMG.


I totally agree. I'm in support of DIY in almost all cases.

Her'es the Lefsetz quote, "As I've stated many times before, you probably suck. Oh, you're probably not terrible, but not good enough. Metaphorically, you might be a good ballplayer, but if you're not good enough to play for the Yankees, you're probably never going to make any money from music. Sorry, but that's the truth."

If you accept that, but a label offers you a deal, you might as well take it because you have no future in the business anyway, so you aren't sacrificing anything.

If, on the other hand, you do have talent, you may not want to get locked into a deal where the label can dictate when and what you record.

The challenge is for a band to know how much they are worth. If they have been building their career anyway, then they already know they have a future as a DIY band.

If, on the other hand, they are young, have only played a few shows, but there is a buzz, then they may have to decide what to do based on an unknown future.

If you want a 40-year career, stay independent. If you anticipate that it will all be over in a year or two anyway, you're probably not giving anything up by signing.

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#453877 - 11/15/07 05:26 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: actionsports]
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 Originally Posted By: actionsports
Her'es the Lefsetz quote, "As I've stated many times before, you probably suck. Oh, you're probably not terrible, but not good enough.




Sorry, but I just find that quote terribly amusing, especially considering the source....
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#453887 - 11/15/07 05:38 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: DevilsAdvocate]
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 Originally Posted By: DevilsAdvocate
Sorry, but I just find that quote terribly amusing, especially considering the source....


Well, you can see my thinking though. Telling a band that they suck, but that they also shouldn't sign a label deal because their sucky career will end prematurely, doesn't make any sense.

Here's another issue I wish could be addressed. I see too many local music critics still jumping up and down when a local band gets a major label deal. So if you are a baby band hoping to get more visibility, that certainly encourages you to sign.

There's still a mentality that getting signed is a validation -- kind of like having your team in the playoffs -- so everyone in town cheers because their team won a big one.

I don't really want to see a bunch of stories telling bands they are stupid for signing, or stories mocking them if they get dropped or their careers go nowhere, but I would like to see less bandwagon press coverage. And, if anything, the music press is going in the wrong direction, rather than getting it right. The indie press seems even more inclined to write about what is 'cool.' And even they seem to fall into the trap of, "See, that underground band we loved has just signed a major label deal, so we were right about them."

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#454182 - 11/16/07 12:26 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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Trust me - some of us possibly current/possibly former WMG employees are right here, simply enjoying the onslaught. I will simply say this: I have never looked so forward to beginning employment with a company, only to become completely disgusted in an incredibly short period of time.

Whatever might be "right" about some of the companies within WMG, cannot be sustained, or have already been squashed as a direct result of all that is wrong. Give me a name...any name of an executive there and I can provide you with a horror story...a first-person horror story.

I feel dirty!

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#454238 - 11/16/07 01:37 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: 666OG]
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I am going to applaud Edgar for coming out and doing an about face regarding some of his previous positions.

Warner are doing an excellent job in the digital space. I respect the fact that he had the courage to step out. The next few months will be quite telling but if the right moves are made they can be in a fantastic position. The business is a game of chess right now. The best player that makes the right moves will see a tremendous upside.

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#454252 - 11/16/07 01:52 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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 Originally Posted By: MaterMagna
Warner are doing an excellent job in the digital space.



looooool!!!

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#454274 - 11/16/07 02:16 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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I applaud Edgar for...Nothing! As for this game of chess you mentioned: you need to know how to play before you have any chance of being victorious.
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#454304 - 11/16/07 03:01 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: 666OG]
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I applaud again as Warner is trying to do something different. They are proactive in pushing the envelope. As critical as many of us have been we should also tip our hats to Warner and EMI who are trying to create change.
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#454332 - 11/16/07 03:36 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: MaterMagna]
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 Originally Posted By: MaterMagna
I applaud again as Warner is trying to do something different. They are proactive in pushing the envelope. As critical as many of us have been we should also tip our hats to Warner and EMI who are trying to create change.


"different" in and by itself means nothing. What exactly is WMG doing, in your view, that is constructive and in line with strategic market developments? And what exactly, in your opinion are they doing in terms of their execution of such strategy that is applaudable?

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#454860 - 11/18/07 11:50 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: actionsports]
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The reason that bands with some talent still do want to sign with majors (in addition to the fact that their indie can only get them to a certain level) is that there are plenty of bands that DO suck that are raking it in. You may be a mediocre ball player, but if you are sleeping with the team manager's daughter, or get signed when all the great players are suspended for steroids, you actually have a shot. The mediocre bands thinks "That band sucks & they're popular. We're better than them. We can be BIG." Not knowing that luck and circumstance are a very large part of success.

The talent in the WB building at all levels is minimal and very overpriced. No one wants to attempt any innovation (or even do their job for that matter) for fear of drawing attention to themselves. They'd rather stay under the radar and continue to collect that check.

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#454893 - 11/19/07 07:13 AM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: RedRocks]
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Re: the talent in the building, you are correct, however, a lot of talent used to be there...it's all gone now.
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#455635 - 11/20/07 03:21 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: 666OG]
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The stock is sitting at 7.02 right now. It would be more fun to gloat if I didn't know that Bain and Lee are cleaning up on the fall but at least everyone that helped ruin our business looks like fools in the court of public opinion. Like it will really bother them as the run naked through piles of $100 bills like Scrooge McDuck but at least it's something.
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#455636 - 11/20/07 03:23 PM Re: WMG: The Deals that Failed [Re: 666OG]
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Stock sitting at 7.02 right now.
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