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#460026 - 12/02/07 10:25 AM An open letter for CEOs to ignore
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In the course of doing general business Ive been forced to put some serious thought into the overall plight of the industry. It was a great exercise in analyzing where we are, so I decided to document it. Once written, well, why not share it with the folks that REALLY make this all work.the rank and file. Who meet here on the Rope.

I really want to address the upper ten percent of the music industry pay scale. You are the people that get paid to be the caretakers of this thing that is very dear to me. You are also the folks that generally speaking have lost touch with the reality of what has evolved.
The fact is, whatever the reason, internal or external, we are all failing. Those of you who run this thing: if you arent prepared to deal with it, you should step aside. If you choose to do neither, you will be pushed aside. Granted, you will probably be pushed aside with a huge golden parachute that will further hurt the industry you once loved even more. But if you are that person you wont care. I happen to care. Ive spent my adult life with the talent, and these days also with the kids looking to get into what THEY love, and have managed to survive. So even though I dont make 7 figures, Ive earned the right. My thoughts:

1) Take a pay cut. A pretty good one that reflects the contraction in business. Like 25%. How about if you show the people that REALLY make your company work, the worker bees, that you need them and respect them and their situation. Lets also acknowledge that generally speaking top level salaries are out of proportion with the size of the industry today. Sure, take an incentive that will reward you for bringing it back. Remember when you were a kid and your survival was based on what you did TODAY? Put some pressure on yourself to succeed. Stop paying yourself for a garrison mentality.

2) Stop paying stupid money for superstar A and R. You are paying that guy for something he did for someone ELSE. Sure pay him a reasonable salary, but let him earn his bread the way we all do: with his output. This business is too weird to assume that because some guy had a hit over there, he will have one or more for you. Also, reward people that sign acts with legs. Its too easy to find some chick with a great ass and pay waaayy too much for some (insert name) Superstar producer track (that was actually done by someone else) and throw it out there with a bundle of cash to get it on big radio. That isnt making a hit.thats BUYing a hit and if you look at the numbers, you didnt make all that much on it anyway. Plus, you really dont have an artist, you had an event. Heres a clue: If the artist cant sell a hard ticket with a top ten record, the artist isnt really generating any interest. You might have created the illusion of interest, but its not real. Regarding superstar track producers and big A and R, if YOU werent paying them this ridiculous money to do thiswhat would they do? Damn, they would have to risk their OWN bread to put out this stuff. The ONE thing you still have is some control over that conduit. How about if you use it wisely and control the upfront spending.

3) Reinstate artist development at your company. IF you find the words 360 deal falling off your lips, be prepared to accept the responsibility of that kind of relationship. Buy a booking agency and put them to work making sure your artists are exposed. Assuming they are any good you will actually MAKE money on that. Same with publishing. Do NOT make your publishing company a filing cabinet called mechanical royalty reducer. DO something proactive to place songs and grow your artist.

4) LEAD your company. Take a cue from that guy you hate that well discuss later Steve Jobs. The guy whos stock was under 10 dollars not too long ago. He talks to his employees, excites them, builds a team attitude, takes a 1.00 salary and the rest in options that become worth more the better the company does. Remember THAT concept, reward is commensurate with risk? Do you even realize that most of the people that work for you are EMBARRASSED but much of the crap you market? No, you probably dont. Perhaps you should ask them once and a while. You might also want to Google names like A and M, or Geffen and filter out anything from the last 20 years. Even Victory gets this point.

5) Look FORWARD, not backward. We all know where its going in the end dont we? Could we replace the kicking and screaming with some creative thinking? How about if we stop calling Steve Jobs the devil and sit down and say what could we do together. If you showed something other than contempt for the lifeline he threw you, you MIGHT find enough common ground for some new initiatives the people might not mind PAYING for. The fact is, you have to EARN that right from the consumer, and you have generally lost it. But trust me, that right will not be restored by legislation, but by education, mutual respect, and a product that folks think is worth something.

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#460093 - 12/02/07 03:36 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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Yep.

Too bad all the CEOs are preparing for their holiday trips to Aspen and St. Barths and could care less about the truths in this post.

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#460102 - 12/02/07 04:09 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: NabiscoBlue]
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Until REAL music people run companies, instead of office people, the biz is doomed.
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#460136 - 12/02/07 06:37 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Steffmo]
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Fantastic Idea!!!


...since we want to now level the playing field where all will re-dedicate themselves to the "muse" and its mission


...lets try an experiment


Who will publicly "sign on" and abide on, lets say, a one year experiment, Steffmo's 10 Turnkey Testimonials to a Turnaround


....seriously,,,start a website with the declaration and then letterwrite/e-write to the top 10% and lets watch the dedication


....okay,,,,who's first

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#460160 - 12/02/07 07:44 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: raalsoul]
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First you have to say "Ten Turnkey Testimonials to a Turnaround" five times fast..........

If you can do that, report to the promo department.

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#460171 - 12/02/07 08:21 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Steffmo]
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Is it possible that Steve Jobs also accelerated piracy?
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#460175 - 12/02/07 08:29 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Cayocosta]
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Well, I don't see what the argument would be for that. But I'm not averse to hearing your theory.
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#460181 - 12/02/07 08:37 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Steffmo]
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The iPod's prevalence made piracy more attractive.
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#460184 - 12/02/07 08:43 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Cayocosta]
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gimme a Beat!!!
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#460189 - 12/02/07 08:56 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: raalsoul]
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The iPod also refocused millions of peoples core interest in music as well. By the way....Apple didn't invent the MP3 Player. All they did was make one that was on the money to the point that it stirred the publics desire for such a product, which is the point of a free economy. You would suggest what.....outlawing the iPod?

At any rate, the digital age in general made piracy more attractive and possible. Of course that is true. But thats economics, and the industry failed to respond. Well, they did respond by screaming "foul" and trying to dig a moat around the industry.

Cars marginalized the use of horses as a means of transportion, yet the world continues on. Technology often asks that we think creatively. I think that if you accept that huge salary to run a music company, you should be EXPECTED to spend more time thinking creatively than digging moats.

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#460191 - 12/02/07 08:57 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: raalsoul]
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It just occurred to me that had the majors bought the rights to the mp3 algorithm back in '99, they would at least have benefitted with licensing revenue derived from device manufacturers. Maybe that's something they might entertain now - commissioning a new compression platform they could in turn license. Mp3 is of course, entrenched, but there might be angles.
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#460218 - 12/02/07 10:10 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Cayocosta]
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I would TOTALLY agree with you there. They SHOULD have done that. The Apple Store's 192 Baud MP3 (actually AAC3 are a real achilles heal IMHOP. A better format, including other kind of graphics etc might change the field.

Then again...DVD A was supposed to do this and they couldn't get THAT together.

But I don't think the soution is to create a format that is so data intense as to be non downloadable. Its quite obvious that people WANT to download and LIKE the idea of having a huge music library stuck to their waist.

I think the DVD market has shown the way in terms of value added. And in general the music industry tends to disregard the right of its customers to a quality product worth the asking price.

Granted digital greatly enabled piracy, but in many ways the public is simply saying that the going price for a CD is out of line. And when you consider that the same CD that cost 250K in 1985 costs 50K to produce today, they might well be right.

That;s economics baby......

Thanks for the quality thought though. Makes sense.

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#460299 - 12/03/07 02:33 AM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Steffmo]
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i am not sure that taking a proprietary stake in any file format would have solved much. MP3 is just one of several digital compression formats out there. unless the labels wanted to buy them all, and should anti-trust have allowed them, even then the two words that describe the odds of any such joint cooperation: ENORMOUSLY LONG.

also, most people aren't buying the iPod to playback or store lps, are they?

face it, the labels never saw that once brilliant song software management was in place, the iPod suddenly became a highly functional portable radio with no commercials, lots of diverse programming, and lots of memory to fill up.

oops

intuitively or not, and it doesn't matter, Jobs saw that everyone loves being a d.j., and was happy to hold the dj-enabling field to himself there for a few years. Popeye can't handle that harsh fact, but there it is.

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#460304 - 12/03/07 03:26 AM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: rockwidow]
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If you consider that every software and hardware mp3 player (and encoder) is licensed, ownership of the code would at least provide an ongoing stream of revenue to majors (or a single major owner) from even file-sharers - in effect, monetizing piracy. If it's safe to assume annual royalties in the tens of millions, this would certainly improve the bottom line. As the de facto standard, the mp3 format could presently be viewed as a digital distribution platform monopoly (outside the control of the majors). Moreover, the anticipated move to DRM-free would further solidify its dominance. Under major control, who knows how far the rates could have been boosted - as well, such royalties would be essentially cost-free on the balance sheet; pure profit. Ironically, it gets back to RCA and the Victrola (recently mentioned). If there ever is a shift to free music, doing so with a new proprietary codec might be a smart move - and a reasonable quid pro quo for the consumer.

Mp3 Royalty rates:

http://mp3licensing.com/royalty/

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#460305 - 12/03/07 03:39 AM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Cayocosta]
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besides being very moot, you still have

a- myriad anti trust concerns

b- prove to me the majors would ever cooperate no matter what legal permission DOJ would give them. (they prefer to copy each other, not to cooperate with each other)

c- playback/acquisition/inventory habits once software management came humming along.

d- and you think Warners would trust Sony in this setting?

you know how the movie ends, and if you dont, go watch Reservoir Dogs.





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#460390 - 12/03/07 11:19 AM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: rockwidow]
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I've been predicting the advent of free music for years. Not HOPING for it lol.....but I certainly saw it coming. I tend to think its inevitable unless something new pops up to rekindle the consumers sense of value.

Which means the recording side will have to be advertising supported....and the band better have a great show.

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#460415 - 12/03/07 12:02 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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Bravo Vic - no go on over to Huffington Post and post something of this nature on Jermaine Dupri's self-centered blogs over there.
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#460602 - 12/03/07 04:16 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: premiumboy]
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Gee, this is like reading one of my posts here about seven years ago. Good times. No one was listening then either and there was still a chance of the Industry saving itself. Not now. It's all over, Baby Blue.

BTW, looking to Apple and their cult leader head for guidance is foolish for their monopolistic tendencies and closed-system are potentially the sources of their imminent downfall. Read this Fast Company cover story for a clear-eyed view of Apple's weakness that the cultists can't acknowledge. (I'm not kidding - I got into a shouting match the other night at a bar with some nerd who was babbling on about how glorious Sony and Apple were and how evil Microsoft and HD DVD was. Idiot.)
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#460621 - 12/03/07 04:39 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: DirkBelig]
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"b- prove to me the majors would ever cooperate no matter what legal permission DOJ would give them. (they prefer to copy each other, not to cooperate with each other)"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/28/television.bbc?gusrc=rss&feed=technology

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#460631 - 12/03/07 04:48 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Cayocosta]
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Apple clearly has weakness. The real question is whether Stevo has learned enough to make the move when the time is right or not. Whatever your own interest or viewpoint, its hard to argue that Apple is still currently in the driver seat and raking in the dollars from it.

IMHOP Steve will hold out til the last minute and then 1) either license Fairplay, or 2) go no DRM.

At least my heart says he will do that. My mind isn't quite so sure.

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#460640 - 12/03/07 05:03 PM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Cayocosta]
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Is it possible that Steve Jobs also accelerated piracy?

No. You have Jobs confused with Shawn Fanning and his filthy uncle, John.
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#460648 - 12/03/07 05:19 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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Jobs' MO since day one has been an absolute, iron-fisted, totalitarian stance on being the sole provider of hardware and software, charging a premium on the former which allows him to pretend to be magnanimous on the latter, charging only two bills for five Macs to be loaded with OSX. When you've been building your whole model around everyone drinking the Kool-Aid and thinking "I love my iPod, so I guess I should buy an iMac, an iPhone, and an Apple TV even though an Xbox 360 or PS3 can do more media, AT&T sucks, an there's hardly any worthwhile software for the Mac unless you're an artist" then you're gonna be riding your pride to a great fall pretty soon.
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#460657 - 12/03/07 05:31 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: DirkBelig]
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I think I've been hearing that arguement about Apple for what....15 years now.

Your comments about software are simply unsupported by fact.

Yes I know will throw up all sorts of smoke to support the ax you are grinding, but in the end its obvious there is no substance to the argument.

I personally think Jobs will make the move at the right moment, and once again look like the hero. But trying to make a PC and an XBoxs lok like a better deal than OSX and peripherals is absurb. Even the PC magazines admit OSX rules right now.

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#460702 - 12/03/07 07:09 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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still you gotta give the guy props for basically jacking an entire market! if nothing else, he is a smart marketing guy. I have a mac and pc's and I couldn't care less about either one of them. they are simply tools to get a job done but Jobs has made people, especially young people, feel like his products are a "must have".
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#460710 - 12/03/07 07:37 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: DirkBelig]
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Plus - maybe he was just tired of being the 5% player in a Microsoft world. He needed a product where Apple could be DOMINANT. Why shouldn't he want to keep all the market share to Apple? He's been seeing Microsoft do it for years.
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#460720 - 12/03/07 08:06 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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 Originally Posted By: Steffmo
I think I've been hearing that arguement about Apple for what....15 years now. Your comments about software are simply unsupported by fact. Yes I know will throw up all sorts of smoke to support the ax you are grinding, but in the end its obvious there is no substance to the argument.
Yawn...you Apple cultists are immune to reality until it eats you alive. Perhaps that's the problem with the Industry: their Macs are throwing off that good ol' Reality Distortion Field and blocking a clear view of the world the way it is, not the way they wishes it to be. I shant pursue this line further here because it's off-topic and you're circulatory system is too full of Cupertino Kool-Aid to counteract the effects. Carry on.
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#460746 - 12/03/07 09:34 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: DirkBelig]
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Dirk, with all due respect you are asmart guy with a lot of good ideas that can't seem to present things in a balanced enough way to be taken seriously.

Case in point. I'm all for reasoned, well thought out commentary, which the above is not.

Suffice to say my stusio manager bought Apple stock at 10.00......he's a happy camper.

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#460839 - 12/04/07 02:41 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Cayocosta]
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 Originally Posted By: Cayocosta
"b- prove to me the majors would ever cooperate no matter what legal permission DOJ would give them. (they prefer to copy each other, not to cooperate with each other)"

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/nov/28/television.bbc?gusrc=rss&feed=technology


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#460887 - 12/04/07 10:09 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: rockwidow]
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Rockwidow...

I believe someone stated they thought it unlikely the DOJ would allow the industry as a whole to buy the MP3 file format.

This post suggests that they could never cooperate enough to even get that far. More specifically that they would each come up with a (most likey) incompatable version of the same thing.

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#460900 - 12/04/07 10:59 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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 Originally Posted By: Steffmo
Dirk, with all due respect you are asmart guy with a lot of good ideas that can't seem to present things in a balanced enough way to be taken seriously.

Case in point. I'm all for reasoned, well thought out commentary, which the above is not.

Suffice to say my stusio manager bought Apple stock at 10.00......he's a happy camper.


You may not think Dirk's commentary is reasoned and well thought out, but did you read the Fast Company article about Apple that Dirk linked?

If not, I strongly suggest you do. The most interesting part is towards the end starting at "The iTunes Storm".
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#460916 - 12/04/07 11:28 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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cupertino kool aid!! HAhahah ,,where the hell's the LA whiskey

...forget the mp3..the format, sonically has alot to be desired, no??

...why not once again, the central server format,,this time..think of the credit report nazis

...basically all the same infor, bit differing format,,tRW, experion, etc,,i.e. the same server that could be exchanging info that downloads in 3-4 formats

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#460960 - 12/04/07 01:03 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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Dirk and BigB,

The Fast Company article is almost laughable, because it doesn't take a realistic look at things, and it's simply riddled with holes. Being the Apple cultist that I am, I'll point out a couple such flaws:
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1) "But if iTunes is the driver for iPod sales (which, in turn, boost Mac sales), then Jobs's chair sits on a floor he doesn't own. The content that launched the iPod isn't his. And now the music industry is striking back."

OK. As Popeye AND STEVE JOBS have repeatedly pointed out, every iPod holds an average of only 22 songs purchased from iTunes. Meaning, the other 900+ songs come from either ripped CD's or P2P sources. So, iTunes is clearly NOT the driver for iPod sales.
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2) "Universal is reportedly in discussions as well with Sony BMG Music Entertainment and Warner Music Group--together they'd control more than three-quarters of the music sold in the United States--to create an industry-run subscription supersite called Total Music. Such subscription services have to be especially unsettling for Apple. "A subscription-based model la Rhapsody or Napster lets a music consumer do something unthinkable in the physical world: have access to 5 million songs," says Morgan Keegan's McCourt. "Likewise, the music industry makes about $10 a month on a Rhapsody/Napster subscriber versus $1 to $2 a month on an iTunes subscriber, so if they were rational--no guarantee--they would help push subscription services."

One small problem. CONSUMERS HAVE NOT TAKEN TO ANY SUBSCRIPTION MODELS, ALTHOUGH MANY HAVE TRIED OVER THE LAST FIVE YEARS. I love it when the article claims that "Such subscription services have to be especially unsettling for Apple", because we need look no further than Pressplay. Wikipedia says this, "Pressplay was an online music store created as a joint venture between Universal Music Group and Sony Music Entertainment. The two record labels provided music via subscription for pressplay along with BMG, EMI, Warner Music Group and various independent labels. It was branded for multiple services, most notably Yahoo.com. Roxio acquired the service on May 19, 2003 and used it as a base to relaunch the Napster music service. The pressplay music service initially received a lot of criticism for its complicated licensing model, and for offering a selection of artists and titles that was not large enough to lure consumers away from free yet illegal offerings. This earned pressplay and rival MusicNet the 9th place in PC World's list of the "25 Worst Tech Products of All Time", stating that "the services' stunningly brain-dead features showed that the record companies still didn't get it".
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I could go on and on, but this is very off-topic and Steffmo, I don't want to step on your very well intentioned and interesting thread. But I'll depart the Applespeak by saying that there is a reason that we Apple cultists are cultists, and that reason has to do with the fact that Apple creates amazing products for consumers; products which make perfect sense, are well designed, bring complete user-satisfaction; that jumpstart existing markets and create new markets. Most of the anti-Apple chatter is founded in jealousy, deception and untruths (such as this Fast Co article), and we're all free to believe what we wish, but I'll be sticking with Apple.
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#461131 - 12/04/07 07:59 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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 Originally Posted By: Steffmo
This post suggests that they could never cooperate enough to even get that far. More specifically that they would each come up with a (most likey) incompatable version of the same thing.


then, hear ye!

it was actually a good read, thanks to Cayocosta for posting it.
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#461164 - 12/04/07 09:52 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: rockwidow]
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I'm aware of that stuff. And unlike Dirk, I have no problem with well thought out commentary on the Apple situation. I clearly see the bridges Apple will have to cross in the future and realize that at some point Jobs will have to grow up and learn to compromise.

But, I am tired of articles that assume that Apple will never respond to any challenges. Essentially people want to assume that this battle will go evactly the way the battle for the desktop did, and there is no basis for that thought. So far Jobs has managed this as well as anyone could have. The notion he will self distruct simply has no basis in fact, and the emotional name calling has no place in this conversation.

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#461279 - 12/05/07 10:09 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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I clearly see the bridges Apple will have to cross in the future and realize that at some point Jobs will have to grow up and learn to compromise.


The "point" where Jobs will need to "grow up and learn to compromise" has arrived, Steffmo. Either Apple opens up their system(s) or it will eventually lose a great deal of iTunes marketshare.

The article is dead on regarding the fact that "customers are ever more insistent that computers, phones, TV, and music systems work together. For them, being "open" isn't about sharing patent information or computer code but about compatibility and seamlessness, from the phones in their pockets to the movies playing on their flat screens".

The current novelty of use that the iTunes/iPod system currently provides customers will look archaic in the next 3-4 years unless Jobs opens up his hardware and software (system) to allow the customers the flexibility to make their own choices.

Most consumers don't give a damn about Apple as a brand. They aren't Apple "cultists" like The Oracle. They're convenience "cultists" who just want compatibility regardless of whose hardware they buy.

So if the CEO's your addressing are going to actually "Look FORWARD, not backward" they need to make the moves necessary to accomodate the end users ASAP. I agree that they shouldn't cast Jobs as the devil. But at the same time they can't continue to allow Jobs to dictate, instead of negotiate. The majors control the prime content. And Jobs doesn't, unless they allow him to.

Both the majors and Jobs will have to adapt to the market realities the customers dictate. Not the other way around. And the Apple cultists can scoff at TotalMusic all they want. But the vast majority of customers don't give a shit about Steve Jobs and his Apple brand. Anymore than they really care about Bill Gates and his Microsoft brand. All they want is flexibility and ease of use at a reasonable price. They have to be given the option to buy and own their entertainment content. Or the option to rent (stream) their entertainment content.

Some will do both. But in the long view looking forward I think most will eventually choose to rent over buy. Because it's much more convenient and most importantly it's immediate.

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Tell your friend who bought Apple at $10 a share to sell 90% of it NOW, and ride the remaining 10% long term. Because there's no way that Apple will continue to enjoy the 150% annual growth rate it's produced in the past 5 years.
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#461281 - 12/05/07 10:16 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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I read somewhere that everyone at Apple is getting an IPhone for the Holidays...
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#461282 - 12/05/07 10:17 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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Wow. Steffmo writes a great post addressing the larger picture and within five posts we're bitching about filesharing and ipods and Apple. Again.

No solutions offered, no addressing of the other points Steffmo made. I'm not saying it's NOT an issue, but the focus on this one pressing problem has led to tunnel vision in regard all other aspects of the business.

Typical. Way to go, guys.







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#461290 - 12/05/07 10:23 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: christsmasher]
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 Originally Posted By: christsmasher
Wow. Steffmo writes a great post addressing the larger picture and within five posts we're bitching about filesharing and ipods and Apple. Again.

No solutions offered, no addressing of the other points Steffmo made. I'm not saying it's NOT an issue, but the focus on this one pressing problem has led to tunnel vision in regard all other aspects of the business.

Typical. Way to go, guys.


Are you addressing me? If so, you may actually want to READ what I just wrote. I'm promoting the opposite of "tunnel vision" for all concerned.
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#461291 - 12/05/07 10:25 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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I'm addressing the tone of the thread in general. You just happened to be the next person in line to reply to. It ain't all about you, sunshine!

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#461293 - 12/05/07 10:31 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: christsmasher]
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I'm addressing the tone of the thread in general. You just happened to be the next person in line to reply to. It ain't all about you, sunshine!


Excuse me for making that outlandish assumption after reading your reply to BigB:

"No solutions offered, no addressing of the other points Steffmo made."

and

"Typical. Way to go, guys."
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#461303 - 12/05/07 10:46 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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Do you REALLY want to pick a fight with me over one post you made and the fact that I clicked, "reply" on your comment. Dude, I already have you on toggle ignore. (yes, I still read your post, mnuh mnuh mnuh) Do I now need to avoid replying to you completely?
Cause I can do that, too.

Overpayment for superstar A&R, Multimillion payouts for artists way past their artistic prime, a complete lack of confidence and foresight when signing artists (a Fergie ain't a pussycat doll and we see how well banging the boss turns out), crummy and lazy promo...(don't get me wrong I like phone commercials but I get a little burned out on a tune hearing the same 8 bar loop over and over while watching the telly), slashing tour support $, the complete inability to come up with product that's worth buying, whether it be...just having QUALITY product or...sweetening the deal with whatever bells and whistles (fuck, it ain't MY job to come up with that shit no more)....awww you know what. Fuckin' forget it. Let it ALL burn down. Here's a match.
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#461308 - 12/05/07 11:01 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: christsmasher]
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This ain't about you Sunshine. And your post was useless.
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#461309 - 12/05/07 11:02 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: christsmasher]
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Lol.....rough night everyones?

BigB.......you read an article, the article had an opinion. You have an opinion. Steve Jobs has an opinion, Bill Gates....everyone on this board.

My first question to you is, when was this article declared fact. When was YOUR viewpoint declared fact?. Apple sales have been astonomical and really show no sign of tanking. We'll see what happens. Why YOU want to make such a big deal is beyond me. Let the enonomics run their course, let the public decide what they want.....and lets get on with business. It is BUSINESS...right?

Here's a little secret....I tend to AGREE with you the Jobs is at the end of the boom and needs to make the move. But I know damn well my opinion means nothing in this and that he will do what he sees fit. As will the other players.

Here's what I want......a clearly defined methodology that lets us all get back to business of making a living in music. Whethers its downloads as we know them, or some other format, I want something the whole market can get behind, and that represents the will of the market.

If the public wants subscription, they need to let us know with their dollars. Which means that someone needs to present them with an option that they like and can accept. Hasn't happened. When and if that does happen, we'll do that. Because in the end we are all beholden to the market.

The ONLY thing that has really worked in the last few years is the iPod. This is a FACT...not some loudmouths opinion. Fact. Whether you like Apple or Jobs, its a FACT. Just like the"Apple Cultists" have to accept the fact the some form of Windows runs 95 percent of the worlds computers.

Ignoring the market is what got us into this. CD's cost too much.....tough, deal with it. The content is too thin, too many sucky songs....tough, deal with it. Lame acts that can't back it up live....tough, deal with it.

Well, they dealt with it. They have basically told the industry to go fuck itself. Be part of a solution not part of the problem.



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#461311 - 12/05/07 11:09 AM Re: An open Declaration of Dedication for CEO's [Re: Steffmo]
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 Originally Posted By: Steffmo
The iPod also refocused millions of peoples core interest in music as well. By the way....Apple didn't invent the MP3 Player. All they did was make one that was on the money to the point that it stirred the publics desire for such a product, which is the point of a free economy. You would suggest what.....outlawing the iPod?

At any rate, the digital age in general made piracy more attractive and possible. Of course that is true. But thats economics, and the industry failed to respond. Well, they did respond by screaming "foul" and trying to dig a moat around the industry.

Cars marginalized the use of horses as a means of transportion, yet the world continues on. Technology often asks that we think creatively. I think that if you accept that huge salary to run a music company, you should be EXPECTED to spend more time thinking creatively than digging moats.



Agreed - Apple, Napster, whichever axis of evil one who is being marginalized chooses to scream about - they have come out of an industry that had no forward thinking, fueling their 1985-1995 growth with people replacing their LP collections and 1996-2002 with teen-pop.

I would suggest virally distributing the original "Open Letter to the CEO's" that started this thread - it will continue to fuel the anti-major label sentiment. If Don VanCleave can get his message out there, so can you...keeping distribution of this to The Rope is another bible for the converted.

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#461324 - 12/05/07 11:34 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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My first question to you is, when was this article declared fact. When was YOUR viewpoint declared fact?.


It's not about whether anyone "declared" the article or my "opinion" to be irrefutable fact. What it is about is what the consumers want "looking forward". The article Dirk linked didn't just make up this fact; "customers are ever more insistent that computers, phones, TV, and music systems work together" for the sake of making some sort of argument against Apple/iTunes. And that specific fact is all that matters from a how to market music to the music consumer perspective. It is an undeniable reality. Either accept it as fact or pay the consequences.

Sorry if I haven't addressed the other points you made about A&R and artist development etc. I agree with your opinions in that regard. But the reality is that until the majors can stop the massive bleeding that's occurring right now, they aren't capable of making those sort of organic business decisons and changes right now. It's just so much pie in the sky, until the ship(s) stop rapidly sinking.

I'm focusing on the marketplace first and foremost. Because the only way to stop the bleeding in the near future is to move as rapidly as possible, with as many different players as possible, to a new marketing model for music. Which is why IMO your #5 point should have been the # 1 point. Without # 5, numbers 1 thru 4 will never have a chance of happening.

I don't give a damn about Jobs, Apple, or Microsoft one way or another. And in the long run neither does the consumers or the marketplace.
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#461329 - 12/05/07 11:43 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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It's all going to work together eventually...
People seem to forget that the integration of new technologies is a fluid process.

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#461349 - 12/05/07 12:12 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: listenagain]
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BigB....

Sounds to me like we essentially agree.

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#461356 - 12/05/07 12:24 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: listenagain]
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People also seem to forget that the labels haven't done anything as of late that hasn't stunk of entitlement and wasn't executed with a complete lack of consideration for a) the long term, and b)the consumer.

The only thing hurting the industry is the industry itself and the executives haven't learned a damn thing except that no matter how hard they fuck things up, they still get paid. And promoted.

The demand for music continues to grow, yet sales are down. Who's to blame? Why, the consumer, of course.

Of course, I can see why labels are frustrated. They've thrived for the past two decades mostly from people re-buying their music collections on CD. Not from keeping up the pace of great music that is needed to fuel strong catalog sales.

Introducing a new format and phasing out the cassette resulted in some really strong years, sales-wise. But now the issue of future formats has been taken out of their hands. Once you have a digital file, the consumer names the format and they can transfer it to any number of devices, none of which benefits the labels.

In other words, the labels can change format all they want, but Joe Consumer is never gonna re-buy the first Boston album.

This, of course, infuriates the labels because it levels the playing field considerably. The one trick they had doesn't work anymore.

Meanwhile, of course, the methods of promoting new music have gone to hell in a handbasket as well. Radio's ridiculous, MTV plays two or three videos in between reality shows, and artists find they have to marry their songs to video games and commercials to get any traction, which is fine if you're Feist or Fall Out Boy. What about the gazillion other releases that don't necessarily lend themselves to obvious placement in the latest version of ATV Off-Road Fury, Guitar Hero, or a Volkswagen commercial?
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#461363 - 12/05/07 12:50 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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The article Dirk linked didn't just make up this fact; "customers are ever more insistent that computers, phones, TV, and music systems work together"


BigB,

Not trying to be the contrarian here, but your quote above is precisely WHY Apple is the leading consumer electronics company at this time. Because iTunes, iMac, iPod, iPhone, iTV, Safari, Leopard, iPhoto, iMovie, and iDVD all work together seamlessly. Interestingly, you and I share the opinion that this is what consumers want most, regardless of brand. And I think we'd agree at this time that there is no other company currently who is making this all work together so effortlessly, right? Hence, Apple's ascension.

And a quick thought about Apple stock. Apple's iPhone-monthly-revenue-sharing with the telcom companies that handle that product will prove to be, over the next 24 months, a HUGE HUGE HUGE amount of money flowing into the company. The analysts are just now figuring this out, but this is primarily why the stock's movement thus far is going to seem like kid's play in relation to the next 24-48 months. Honestly, this is an inescapable truth. 30,000 iPhones sold in France in 5 days means revenue starting to pour into Apple worldwide like never before...

Sorry Steffmo, back to our regularly scheduled programming...
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#461366 - 12/05/07 12:54 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Darren]
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Darren,

Great post.
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#461371 - 12/05/07 01:03 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Darren]
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Back on track, thanks Darren.

First off: Can we all just lay off the Apple bullshit? How about a thread or section just for that type of shit. I'm sick of every thread degenerating into a bashing Jobs-fest. Tired and boring. Move the fuck on.

There are people on this board that are interested in their place in the industry, whether they are on the artist side or the suit side, in some form we all need each other in some capacity. Let's talk about ways to make that happen or at least dream about it happening. Bashing everything (yes, I've done it, too) is not doing any of us any good. We need constructive ways of helping each other.

As an artist, I have my songs on iTunes. And Napster. And Rhapsody. And eMusic, ad infinitum. As far as the artists are concerned, they want their music anywhere a listener might come upon it and buy some.

We all need to start thinking differently, and from it we will all benefit. Old thinking is done and broken, and everyone knows it.

How can we make it better? What are the next goddamned steps, even if they are minute and baby-like?

I want my music out there in the world. They (you) want music to market and do whatever it is you(they) do. Somewhere in the middle we should be meeting and having drinks and shrimp cocktails, talking about how the new days will be better because we've torn down the old thinking. We've brought real music to market. Art and commerce holding hands in their underwear and doing unnatural things together.

Remember Threadzilla? None of that optimism is gone. At least not for me.

Sorry. Too much coffee and loud guitars. Carry On.
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#461423 - 12/05/07 03:00 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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BigB....

Sounds to me like we essentially agree.


Other than # 5 should be # 1, we do essentialy agree.

I'd also add that they also need to sit down with the terrestrial radio people and figure out a new paradigm for on air promotion that somehow ties in to the 360 deals they all now claim they're going to do. Payola is going away. And the majors had better figure this aspect out or someone else is going to beat them to the punch....again.

To the "Apple cultists"/defenders here. Steffmo's post is addressed to the CEO's of the majors about the current business climate in the music industry.

At this point in time there cannot be a conversation about the current business climate in the music industry that doesn't include Apple-iTunes-iPods and Steve Jobs. And in order to have that conversation in that context, the pro's and the con's of same in the present and the future have to be discussed. So please try to refrain from leaping into every single thread that doesn't constantly cast Jobs and Apple as the second coming at all times as if you're on the Apple payroll.

Some of you guys are every bit as bad, and annoying, as Popeye.
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#461468 - 12/05/07 04:01 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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BigB,

I always try to be respectful, truthful and on topic when bringing up the positives of Apple. The Fast Company article, which Dirk referenced and which I visited upon your suggestion to read the section about iTunes, was simply off the mark in many of its assumptions, which I have pointed out. In the context of discussing the industry and Apple/iTMS/Jobs, I think that was fair and on topic.

I look forward to keeping Steffmo's original topic intact.
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#461493 - 12/05/07 04:44 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: The Oracle]
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apple respects its consumer and its product. if the industry did this, (which it does not) it would improve.
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#461541 - 12/05/07 06:54 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Evrymist8kimginb]
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My intent in starting this thread really had little to do with Apple, who IMHOP merely responded to the obvious need of the market. I am totally baffled by the negativity which has been reflected on Apple, which the exception of the the old school "Its our content and we can do whatever we want with it", which I certainly understand, I just can't suppor because the failure to properly exp;oit the works of your artist is ethically and posibly legally wrong.

But I do understand that Morris et al feel like "we've called all the shots for 50 years, leave us alone". Not that it makes sense, but because I understand that no one likes to get their nose tweaked, whish is exactly what Jobs did.

My post is more centered on the inability of upper management to take responsibility for their lack of leadership, and their self centered assumption that a company with ten highly paid execs and a myriad of so called superstar producers can function with little or no promotion or marketing departments.

I want to know WHY acts that sell 250K are being dropped...because they don't make ENOUGH money. What company can afford to terminate ANY profiable enterprise? Right now the majors work like some screwy baseball game where you either hit a homer, or you are out. Catalogue is ignored, mid sellers left to flounder. But these are the things that keep your staff paid and in place.

In any sane business all projects are budgeted by what they can potentially sell. If someone sells 125k, don't drop them, simply budget the project accordingly and carry on. If its a flop, fine, but if its getting some traction adjuct.

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#461550 - 12/05/07 07:16 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Steffmo]
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you're too kind and probably still have a dream, whether as a music business professional or as an artist. there is nothing sane about the music business. labels have been destroying dreams, lives and careers for decades, for profit, and it's finally catching up with them. this didn't just happen overnight and its causes are far more due to business practices than technology. though your thread isn't about apple, apple is a great example of company who sells to an educated, law abiding consumer.
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#462146 - 12/07/07 11:03 AM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Evrymist8kimginb]
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Yeah, I'm a romantic and still have dreams. I don't really see them as dreams though. I've been fortunate to do this essentially all of my life and I consider it a privledge, not a right.

As to "those guys", of course you are right, they whored it, and that may be the nicest thing that can be said. I suppose you could say the best thing to do would be to simply let any industry structure whither away, rendering this whole thread pointless.

But I think that whatever we think or say there will always be some for of "major" label, and my comments are more oriented to bringing some order to that sector. too many innocents.

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#462223 - 12/07/07 01:49 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: Evrymist8kimginb]
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apple is a great example of company who sells to an educated, law abiding consumer


You may want to check today's business news about hacking Macs and iPhones. I know 4 people right here in Atlanta with hacked iPhones.
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#462466 - 12/07/07 09:09 PM Re: An open letter for CEOs to ignore [Re: BigB]
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BigB....

You don't like it....don't buy it. Simple.

I own 4 Macs....never hacked...ever.

No matter....anything as popular as an iPhone is now (or Windows was then) is a target for antisocial behavior. iPhone users have a very high rate of customer satisfaction, despite the fact that some feel the need to slag the product for WHAT reason?

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