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#480618 - 01/25/08 07:13 PM
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So apparently NARAS is, at this time, refusing to let Vince Gill perform for longer than 90 seconds on the Grammy awards TV broadcast.
Vince is up for two awards, Album of the Year and Best Country Album. Amy Winehouse might not even be able to get a visa to enter the country for the show, but NARAS can't find 3-5 minutes for a nominee in their most prestigious category? That blows! I can only hope they rectify this situation.
The NARAS membership ought to be up in arms about this, as Vince earned this nomination through their votes. Doug Morris, Luke Lewis, and Larry Fitzgerald ought to be out front shaming Neil Portnow and the NARAS brass until they relent on this.
Vince's record isn't my favorite of the year, but he deserves a ton of respect from NARAS. He's been an industry champion and award winner his entire career. He hosted the CMAs for years. He's got tons of amazing guest artists on his nominated album.
If Vince were Sting or Clapton or Sheryl Crow or Bonnie Raitt (or any other Grammy favorite) and released the same record to the same commercial and critical response you know there would be a significant performing slot available, but apparently a genre played on over 2,000 stations across the country gets no respect - AGAIN! - by NARAS.
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#480621 - 01/25/08 07:22 PM
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Let's face it. The Grammy Awards show is barely watchable, what with questionable musical performances (who's got a new album to peddle and how long of a "handshake" is the record company willing to make?), a boring presentation, too much lip-syncing, and I've been angry ever since they removed the Producer of the Year Award. I mean, the damned Oscars celebrate Set Design, Art Direction, Cinematograhy, Director, Effects, etc etc...shouldn't we be able to celebrate at least the Producer? Pathetic.
Too bad for Vince. Have they asked Ringo?
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#480691 - 01/25/08 10:54 PM
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As a member of NARAS, I completely agree with you. Vince's latest album is a fairly unheard of and ambitious 43 song 4 CD set of all new recordings, and it is fantastic and deserved to be among the final 5 for album of the year. I am not a huge country fan, but I give Vince mucho respect. He is a true musician, has a great voice, and is a fine songwriter.
He may not be a "Grammy Favorite", but he has won 14 Grammys over the years, which makes it a tie between him and Chet Atkins for the most Grammys by a country artist. I specifically remember him beating out what seemed to be unbeatable competition in many categories back in the early 90's. I saw him the next day, and made a special effort to congratulate him on his win, and he was very gracious and humble, and seemed a bit surprised that someone like me cared about it.
He deserves more. He is now a Grammy veteran, possibly on his way to the "legend" status that the Grammys tend to honor the most. As usual, they will catch on way too late, and honor him when he is past his prime, which he is in now.
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#480695 - 01/25/08 11:00 PM
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Not only that, but it's not like he's unfamiliar to TV and/or CBS viewers -- not only has he won numerous CMA and ACM awards over the last decade in addition to his Grammys, but he's also HOSTED some of those shows. Jeez, give the guy some props already.
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#480696 - 01/25/08 11:00 PM
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If he wants more TV time he can perform on Regis 'n Ripa.
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#480705 - 01/25/08 11:32 PM
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As a member of NARAS, I completely agree with you. Vince's latest album is a fairly unheard of and ambitious 43 song 4 CD set of all new recordings, and it is fantastic and deserved to be among the final 5 for album of the year. I am not a huge country fan, but I give Vince mucho respect. He is a true musician, has a great voice, and is a fine songwriter.
He may not be a "Grammy Favorite", but he has won 14 Grammys over the years, which makes it a tie between him and Chet Atkins for the most Grammys by a country artist. I specifically remember him beating out what seemed to be unbeatable competition in many categories back in the early 90's. I saw him the next day, and made a special effort to congratulate him on his win, and he was very gracious and humble, and seemed a bit surprised that someone like me cared about it.
He deserves more. He is now a Grammy veteran, possibly on his way to the "legend" status that the Grammys tend to honor the most. As usual, they will catch on way too late, and honor him when he is past his prime, which he is in now.
Not just that (and that is quite a lot), but what does it say about NARAS that it would disrespect its membership, who voted Vince's album as a nominee in its premier category, the category they save till the end of the show (much as the Oscars save Best Picture till the end of their broadcast)? What does it say about NARAS's commitment to musical and recording artistry? Why diminish the entire category of "Album of the Year" by not allowing all the nominees to perform a full song?
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#480709 - 01/25/08 11:46 PM
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Jesus, guys, I like Vince too -- probably more than many of the other acts who will be playing. Used to see him with the Cherry Bombs, down at the beach.
But I also appreciate the hell it must be to book the Grammy show, dealing with egos, politics, schedules, the network, God knows what.
Nobody's going to be satisfied.
Now, if they gave him the time reserved for Neil Portnow's speech...probably only one person would quibble.
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#480711 - 01/25/08 11:59 PM
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Nobody's going to be satisfied.
Now, if they gave him the time reserved for Neil Portnow's speech...probably only one person would quibble.
funnily enough, the two best guys, ( if i had to pick a guitar and sing ) in the music business today, might very well be portnow and gill.
but we all vote for favorites.
y'all sort it out.
politics as usual.
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#480713 - 01/26/08 12:04 AM
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My describing his album as "unheard of" was an unfortunate choice of words. 
I will try harder next time.
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#480714 - 01/26/08 12:22 AM
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there's no difficulty booking the grammys. It's the ONLY place on tv where acts actually play live, for the most part....and no one really turns it down.....managers and publicists, and labels, are all calling the Grammys BEGGING to be on.....there's no arm twisting in the opposite direction.
sadly, I don't think Amy Winehouse will show up, and Ken Ehrlich will throw together another one of his We Are The World kinda well rehearsed "jams".
This 'academy' and this Grammy 'show' need some serious revamping...the same old cronies have been doing this show for 30 years.
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I hate what they're doing to vince gill....there needs to be a real squeaky wheel here....Fitzgerald...take it!
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#480715 - 01/26/08 12:23 AM
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there's no difficulty booking the grammys. It's the ONLY place on tv where acts actually play live, for the most part....and no one really turns it down.....managers and publicists, and labels, are all calling the Grammys BEGGING to be on.....there's no arm twisting in the opposite direction.
That's why I listed ego and politics among the things the producer has to deal with, silly!
funnily enough, the two best guys, ( if i had to pick a guitar and sing ) in the music business today, might very well be portnow and gill.
I like Portnow fine. It's just like his speech (and Sid Ganis's, and every other trade association president's) brings things to a dead stop.
A clear case of ego over common sense -- who's going to tell the boss (not The Boss) that nobody really wants to hear his (or her) plattudes?
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#480719 - 01/26/08 12:31 AM
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sadly, I don't think Amy Winehouse will show up, and Ken Ehrlich will throw together another one of his We Are The World kinda well rehearsed "jams".
Was he behind that Sly & the Family Stone tribute jam a year or two ago? I'd rather see Vince Gill sing a duet with Taylor Swift as part of a Garth Brooks tribute than have to sit through that kind of train wreck again.
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#480721 - 01/26/08 12:41 AM
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a clear case of ego over common sense -- who's going to tell the boss (not The Boss) that nobody really wants to hear his (or her) plattudes?
i hear ya, well, for my buck i'd rather hear alickalottapus over plattudes, anyday. but, hey, that's life in the swamp..
but you and i both know well, neil is the best naras numbskull ever. look at what he's presiding over. the law of diminishing returns,..
in full effect. that guy is a prince among..well, lower life forms.
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#480723 - 01/26/08 12:51 AM
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Vince should come out and perform a Ramones "I Don't Care" - except he'll have to cut 9 seconds of it.
This is just pathetic that they allowed that one ceremony to have a dozen Beyonce performances and Vince can't get 3 minutes.
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#480754 - 01/26/08 08:09 AM
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Thanks for starting the ball rolling. I've been a voting memeber since dirt was patented and am currently at war with them over their treatment of something concerning this broadcast. They have taken a firm second place behind WMG on my 'fuck them' list.
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#480861 - 01/26/08 03:08 PM
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Thanks for starting the ball rolling. I've been a voting memeber since dirt was patented and am currently at war with them over their treatment of something concerning this broadcast. They have taken a firm second place behind WMG on my 'fuck them' list.
Not a problem.
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#481432 - 01/28/08 02:49 PM
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I'll blame Mathew Knowles. NARAS wanted Beyonce to perform, and Mathew made it a package deal -- must take his other artists Solange and Trinitee 5:7 as well.
They had to shave time away from somewhere to make room for these people.
First it was the disastrous deal for the Urban division with Sanctuary, now this... He will be the downfall of the biz, I tell ya!
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