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According to todays NY Times Warner is giving Perez his own imprint. This cannot possibly be true....right??
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#492647 - 02/26/08 10:42 AM
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I just got done reading that. As far as new acts go he was pimping Amy Winehouse, Mika, and other UK based artists before anyone on these shores was. What's that worth in $$$ for Warners? Who knows, but what have they go to lose?
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#492651 - 02/26/08 10:53 AM
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#492676 - 02/26/08 12:00 PM
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"Mr. Lavandeira could receive $100,000 a year as an advance against 50 percent of any profits generated by artists he discovers and releases through Warner Brothers."
What kind of g*d damn deal is that? No wonder Warner is in the crapper.
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#492679 - 02/26/08 12:09 PM
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My thoughts exactly - it's not putting on ultra exclusive Hamptons concerts for $3,000 a ticket, but it still seems excessive. Let's see which analyst or reporter rips WMG a new one for this move.
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#492707 - 02/26/08 01:05 PM
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As far as new acts go he was pimping Amy Winehouse, Mika, and other UK based artists before anyone on these shores was.
Not really. Both acts were already fairly well established thanks to very considerable early airplay on LA's KCRW.
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#492719 - 02/26/08 01:38 PM
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how has Carson Daly's gig been doing?
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#492736 - 02/26/08 02:03 PM
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I saw that thing (Perez) standing on a corner in Beverly Hills the other day. I swerved to try and hit him, but then adjusted as I realized my car would take most of the damage. What a useless piece of trash.
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#492737 - 02/26/08 02:04 PM
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I wouldn't consider Mika a huge smash in the U.S.
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#492740 - 02/26/08 02:07 PM
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He is in West Hollywood and in Chelsea.
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#492742 - 02/26/08 02:17 PM
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>>>He is in West Hollywood and in Chelsea.
np: "I Don't Want to Go to Chelsea," Elvis Costello & the Attractions
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#492745 - 02/26/08 02:22 PM
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100k? I bet WMG has spent more than that in ads on his 'blog'. this is actually not a bad move. a cheesy and desperate one yes - but think about it - its basically a new formula for payola. They say you get 50% of any artist you promote. ads on his site are huge $$$$. so now they dont have to advertise on his site - its up to him to promote the artist. if you think about the record deals that are handed out yearly 100k is nada. and i assume any record he gets is already done and recorded. no costs there.
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#492761 - 02/26/08 02:48 PM
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uh, no. i think it is $100k to him as a 'talent scout'. you would then have your artist costs on top of that. they would have to sign the act to the label (i.e. essentially signing to warner brothers) still, with all the associated funds.
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#492766 - 02/26/08 02:53 PM
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well, if the US office of WB can't be bothered to listen to the stuff that the UK office of WB is sending over, I guess they have to outsource. geez, seems like EVERYTHING at WB is outsourced these days.
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Hey, if Warner can jump over the shark to sign Paris Hilton, it's not much of a stretch to bring on Mario/Perez Hilton as a de-facto A&R guy. Sure seems like a long way from the Mo & Lenny days.
But I wish them all success. Big successes. As I sit here contemplating my own many personal and professional failings, I only wish for them the best.
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#492773 - 02/26/08 02:58 PM
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who knew that subscribing to NME makes you a talent scout.
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#492930 - 02/26/08 06:43 PM
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What's next, the locusts?
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#492940 - 02/26/08 06:54 PM
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but all he does, as corey3rd so rightly points out, is pimp whatever is a hit in the uk at any given moment.
it's like the music supervisor from grey's anatomy getting her own imprint - a complete waste of time. she's shown no ability to take an act from the beginnings of their career and nurture them, but instead just pick up on whatever currently has a buzz 'across the pond'.
bah. humbug.
but good luck to them both in proving all naysayers wrong.
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#492951 - 02/26/08 07:10 PM
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He is in West Hollywood and in Chelsea.
He seems to have touched the heartland in a peculiar way as well
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#492963 - 02/26/08 07:33 PM
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I dont get it.. isnt Perez Hilton responsible for Amy Winehouses success?
Hes seems to have done a better job of getting attention to some fairly decent talent than all of the music industry..
he may be a douche bag but at least he seems sincere in his love of music..
This is true. It's easy to hate him but look at it this way, he has a huge following (no matter how gay), acts are reaching out to him directly for press and he is definitely able to break acts at virtually no cost.
So, when the next indie darling in the UK comes along that the labels don't want to touch because of our serious masculinity issues here in the states Perez can give them some press and if it catches Warner can do the deal for pennies on the dollar and see how it goes.
There's a million reasons to not like this arrangement from the outside, but given the cost of breaking a band from square 1... and also the unpredictability of it, I think this is a smart deal for Warner.
The music business is a BUSINESS. Every deal isn't done with cred in mind.
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#492973 - 02/26/08 07:56 PM
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If I paint my ass purple and use MS paint to draw on pictures of Paris Hilton, will Warner sign me too?
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#492988 - 02/26/08 08:39 PM
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I dont get it.. isnt Perez Hilton responsible for Amy Winehouses success?
Hes seems to have done a better job of getting attention to some fairly decent talent than all of the music industry..
he may be a douche bag but at least he seems sincere in his love of music..
Totally agree. I think it is a smart move on the label's part.
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#493069 - 02/27/08 12:24 AM
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This is true. It's easy to hate him but look at it this way, he has a huge following (no matter how gay), acts are reaching out to him directly for press and he is definitely able to break acts at virtually no cost.
So, when the next indie darling in the UK comes along that the labels don't want to touch because of our serious masculinity issues here in the states Perez can give them some press and if it catches Warner can do the deal for pennies on the dollar and see how it goes.
There's a million reasons to not like this arrangement from the outside, but given the cost of breaking a band from square 1... and also the unpredictability of it, I think this is a smart deal for Warner.
The music business is a BUSINESS. Every deal isn't done with cred in mind.
I agree with a lot of what you said, except, the majority of people who visit his site, surprisingly, are not gay, it's young girls. Not that there isn't a gay audience, but the majority is young females and who, in the music industry, doesn't want to tap (heh, I said tap) that market?
I wish this deal sucked. I want it to suck. But, it's not a huge cash infusion on the label's part, and it's also (loathe to admit it) smart on WMG's part because it's a preemptive strike. Perez is notoriously biased and can be bought. Not only will WMG get exposure for their (his) artists, but he will bring the HATE for competing artists. For realz.
He has influence. We have to deal with it. It suxors.
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Did Jann Wiennerdog ever strike a deal to get his own label based on putting groups on the cover of the Rolling Stone?
i don't doubt Perez being good for promoting groups. But his role is promotion in the big scheme of things (and getting paid for it). Why not give the folks at the New York Times their own deal with a label?
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Did Jann Wiennerdog ever strike a deal to get his own label based on putting groups on the cover of the Rolling Stone?
No, but he did help destroy the Beach Boys career.
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i don't doubt Perez being good for promoting groups. But his role is promotion in the big scheme of things (and getting paid for it). Why not give the folks at the New York Times their own deal with a label? Are they willing to make up rumors about the competing acts and photoshop semen stains on their pictures?
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Any name for this label? I'm guessing Bukkake/Reprise.
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#493136 - 02/27/08 03:16 AM
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Warner is about to announce the Troublepuss imprint, whose first release is a 12" dance remake of Wally Pleasant's "She's Addicted To Clothes."
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As much as I loathe this creature and all he stands for, let's not get it twisted: this is little more than another "first-look" deal for an A&R consultant. WB pays him a fee, he must exclusively pitch any artists he finds to WB during the term. $100k is not that high for a deal like that. Actually that's common.
WB isn't obligated to spend one dime on any artist he "finds". His spin that this is some huge label deal is laughable.The majors do a countless number of first-look deals with outside consultants every year. He's not special.
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#493157 - 02/27/08 07:25 AM
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Perez is notoriously biased and can be bought. Not only will WMG get exposure for their (his) artists, but he will bring the HATE for competing artists. For realz.
that could be a good thing in and of itself. band/musical rivalries seem to garner good stories, and reveal personalities.
remember Stern's show hating on Bon Jovi and Aerosmith for a while? it added tension, and made people tune in to see whether things were escalating.
look how the turf in that vein was ceded to the debbie doll battles (Paris vs. anyone (Lindsay, Nicole, etc.) - shit, the debbie dolls have even stole ink from the rapper battles, and those WERE deadly.
The Creed vs Limp Bizkit, or Stapp vs. 311, those were lame battles. Oasis vs. Blur, meh. But at least they were leaning into the idea of throttling one another.
Dwight and Steve Earle were cross with each other, and that grabbed press.
Nirvana smacked back at Pearl Jam, and that made for some news.
then there was Cobain vs Axl. That was maybe the best match I can recall in the past 15-16 years.
we cant even trace all the Courtney conflicts, but again they put attention on musicians.
so . . . the era of milquetoast bands not rivalling one another, it's time to change that.
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Is this really happening? Far out ...
If Warner are giving Perez freaking Hilton a deal, then there truly is no hope for this industry!
What does he even know about A&R - "acts he signs"? What??
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Perez is notoriously biased and can be bought. Not only will WMG get exposure for their (his) artists, but he will bring the HATE for competing artists. For realz.
that could be a good thing in and of itself. band/musical rivalries seem to garner good stories, and reveal personalities. remember Stern's show hating on Bon Jovi and Aerosmith for a while? it added tension, and made people tune in to see whether things were escalating. look how the turf in that vein was ceded to the debbie doll battles (Paris vs. anyone (Lindsay, Nicole, etc.) - shit, the debbie dolls have even stole ink from the rapper battles, and those WERE deadly. The Creed vs Limp Bizkit, or Stapp vs. 311, those were lame battles. Oasis vs. Blur, meh. But at least they were leaning into the idea of throttling one another. Dwight and Steve Earle were cross with each other, and that grabbed press. Nirvana smacked back at Pearl Jam, and that made for some news. then there was Cobain vs Axl. That was maybe the best match I can recall in the past 15-16 years. we cant even trace all the Courtney conflicts, but again they put attention on musicians. so . . . the era of milquetoast bands not rivalling one another, it's time to change that.
c'mon bro. oasis v. blur was most definitely a rivalry. when you have noel gallagher wishing aids upon damon albarn and alex james , ya know there's something brewin. sure they did it for the press but for two years, please bought it hook, line, sinker. add the fact, both bands were riding high on two important records at the time and BAM!
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Didn't Island try this model with Ultragrrl?
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Article in today's NY Times about how several networks and studios are lining up to court Jay Leno after his deal with NBC is done in 2009. Included is Sony Studios, who are said to be making "a rich offer for a syndicated late-night show that would make him the highest-paid host in late-night television, put his name on a new theater on the Sony lot and give him a financial interest in Sony music artists who appear on his show."
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Didn't Island try this model with Ultragrrl?
Yes, and it failed, but she did pick up some really cool bands. Major labels and indie bands really don't need to waste each other's time. She will probably be much more successful w/out Island.
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when you have noel gallagher wishing aids upon damon albarn and alex james , ya know there's something brewin. sure they did it for the press but for two years, please bought it hook, line, sinker. add the fact, both bands were riding high on two important records at the time and BAM!
I admit, I didn't pay close attention but ok, that's along the lines of what brings on a rivalry.
the key part is, the press was on it; music was given press leads, and the debbie dolls who do nothing for rock weren't.
see, once rock gets a little more bad ass in the eyes of the kids, it can re-elevate itself.
who cares about LP reviews, when the underlying subject matter (band) is more dull than a worn out sock? the act has to be perceived largely as all about rebellion and counter-culture, a whiff of danger, or at least meaningful images of the same.
Today's quagmire comes from the absence of these elements. the talent is there, but the necessary attitudes are not. Why is that? well, corporate interests moved in with sponsorships and embraced rock. if the suits are aligned with music, it makes it appear safe, "recommended", bought off, etc.
in the NFL, you have outlaw images left and right. and it's one of the most popular activities in the US. everyone knows these guys smoke weed, risk death by pumping steroids, fight cops, fight each other, drive to strip clubs and run over cops on the way (Randy Moss), throw Love Boat parties w/ hookers and blow (the Vikings), tell corporate sponsors to get the fuck off the team bus (Moss, again), etc.
and whose jersey tends to sell more than any other NFL player?
you got it - Moss
we frankly need far more Gallaghers than we presently have
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You know I agree Rockwidow.
We need real rock stars. All we have now are nerds in bands.
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when you have noel gallagher wishing aids upon damon albarn and alex james , ya know there's something brewin. sure they did it for the press but for two years, please bought it hook, line, sinker. add the fact, both bands were riding high on two important records at the time and BAM! I admit, I didn't pay close attention but ok, that's along the lines of what brings on a rivalry. the key part is, the press was on it; music was given press leads, and the debbie dolls who do nothing for rock weren't. see, once rock gets a little more bad ass in the eyes of the kids, it can re-elevate itself. who cares about LP reviews, when the underlying subject matter (band) is more dull than a worn out sock? the act has to be perceived largely as all about rebellion and counter-culture, a whiff of danger, or at least meaningful images of the same. Today's quagmire comes from the absence of these elements. the talent is there, but the necessary attitudes are not. Why is that? well, corporate interests moved in with sponsorships and embraced rock. if the suits are aligned with music, it makes it appear safe, "recommended", bought off, etc. in the NFL, you have outlaw images left and right. and it's one of the most popular activities in the US. everyone knows these guys smoke weed, risk death by pumping steroids, fight cops, fight each other, drive to strip clubs and run over cops on the way (Randy Moss), throw Love Boat parties w/ hookers and blow (the Vikings), tell corporate sponsors to get the fuck off the team bus (Moss, again), etc. and whose jersey tends to sell more than any other NFL player? you got it - Moss we frankly need far more Gallaghers than we presently have
bingo. personally i think this began with grunge. grunge levelled the playing field by taking away rock's balls and ripped up spaghetti string tank tops and made the artist look/act like the fan. we've yet to recover since. just look at reality television, case in point.
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Didn't Island try this model with Ultragrrl?
yeah, they did with stolen transmission. this could actually be a blessing in disguise for sarah. the band, innerpartysystem, looks ready to do some good things and they would have gotten lost in the shuffle at idj when you consider they already the sucktacular bravery and the slightly less so killers.
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