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The Vadge is back 
Love the boldness of the boxing theme.
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#499513 - 03/14/08 02:56 PM
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#499516 - 03/14/08 03:00 PM
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I love the boldness of the photoshopping.
Excellent work!
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#499518 - 03/14/08 03:09 PM
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I'm looking forward to some great late night reading.
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that is a horrible sleeve. does anyone care about album art?
that looks like something dee-lite would have done.
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#499525 - 03/14/08 03:24 PM
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Looks like Hil Clinton?
And nah, Dee-Lite was hot (or its album covers were alriight).
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#499530 - 03/14/08 03:35 PM
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I've rarely seen a better graphic representation of irrelevance.
If that design featured anyone else it would have been killed before it got off the drawing board.
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If this truly is the 'official' cover art, it is aweful. Essentially, it is the same idea as the covers from back in the "Bedtime Stories" / "Human Nature" period of 1994 & 1995.
At least it was still age-appropriate back then.
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#499535 - 03/14/08 03:40 PM
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I thought it was Joan Collins..
I didn't realize Faye Dunaway had a album coming out!
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#499541 - 03/14/08 04:08 PM
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Amateur hour. Remember Kai's Power Tools plug-ins? Yeah, me neither. Weak.
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I shiver at the thought of seeing this 50 year old lady naked. Why is she still trying to be sexy? That ended at least 10 years ago. Madonna belongs to the kind of people I wish would have embraced islam.
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And guzzle your entire drink when the following appears:
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#499564 - 03/14/08 04:57 PM
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Horrible looking.. amateur hour..
just completely clueless talentless assholes in these "art" departments...
Virtually no label has an art dept anymore, all outsourced.
She no doubt said "give me a bit of that White Stripes candy, photoshop the hell out of me, and by the way here's my crotch one more time in case anyone missed it the last 8,678 times I've put it in people's faces".
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#499567 - 03/14/08 05:21 PM
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This is a joke isn't it ?
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#499573 - 03/14/08 05:42 PM
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<<Love the boldness of the boxing theme.>>
snort, laugh, chuckle
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#499574 - 03/14/08 05:48 PM
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I'm very concerned about this old lady's teeth and all that hard candy.
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#499576 - 03/14/08 06:08 PM
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Why the 50yr old crotch shot? jeeez old habits die hard
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and by the way here's my crotch one more time in case anyone missed it the last 8,678 times I've put it in people's faces".
Laugh out loud hilarious! I needed a good laugh and that line just delivered big time.
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#499613 - 03/14/08 07:24 PM
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"Horrible looking.. amateur hour.. just completely clueless talentless assholes in these "art" departments... fuck them and fuck her.."
Coffee: Don't you think the control freak that is Madge approved every pixel of that image, if not, came up with the whole damned concept? If anyone is a 'clueless talentless asshole', she's it. Design-wise, anyway.
Yes, I STILL care about album art.
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#499621 - 03/14/08 08:05 PM
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That is the most unattractive thing I've seen since Pink showed up on the music scene.
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#499645 - 03/14/08 09:08 PM
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I'm seeing metaphors all over it
bend me pull me stretch me, I'm taffy rip me, pull me harder, I'm black licorice slap me, knock me, spread me, I'm a sucker chew me, do me, blow me, I'm gum
I'm a hardened woman,,,look what I've become
seems to be the throw it back in your face--same shame on you shitck that works every frickin time for her--kind of a joke
just funny to see it so full force in action after all the spiritual endeavors
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#499660 - 03/14/08 10:04 PM
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(gottah luv dat wiki)
....so, how did we miss out on the braces???
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vagina_dentata
..ahahahha..oh,,,LAwd
vagina dentata has proven a captivating image for many artists and writers, particularly among surrealist or psychoanalytic works. Although the myth is associated with the fear of castration.....
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#499663 - 03/14/08 10:11 PM
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I can't decide if I love it or hate it. For one thing, it seems like the designer graduated from the Barack Obama School of Graphic Design. The picture: at a simple level, it looks like grandma dressed for a costume party. At a deeper level, it's very metaphoric and she seems to be saying, "criticize me all you want because I'm the winner."
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#499665 - 03/14/08 10:18 PM
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too bad she didn't think to do a stray cats update -- you know, "sexy and 70."
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#499667 - 03/14/08 10:22 PM
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#499671 - 03/14/08 10:39 PM
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I'm seeing metaphors all over it
bend me pull me stretch me, I'm taffy rip me, pull me harder, I'm black licorice slap me, knock me, spread me, I'm a sucker chew me, do me, blow me, I'm gum
I'm a hardened woman,,,look what I've become
seems to be the throw it back in your face--same shame on you shitck that works every frickin time for her--kind of a joke
just funny to see it so full force in action after all the spiritual endeavors
That's actually a very insightful post ra... Better then I could have expressed it
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#499677 - 03/14/08 11:13 PM
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I shiver at the thought of seeing this 50 year old lady naked. Why is she still trying to be sexy? That ended at least 10 years ago.
Not thinking of Madonna specifically, but it's absurd to state that a 50 year old woman can't be sexy.
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#499682 - 03/14/08 11:35 PM
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I shiver at the thought of seeing this 50 year old lady naked. Why is she still trying to be sexy? That ended at least 10 years ago. Not thinking of Madonna specifically, but it's absurd to state that a 50 year old woman can't be sexy.
First thing I agree with in this thread. 
I'm just reading some of the comments here, and all I can say is WOW.....so not surprised.
Madonna is incredible, and this cover is sums up perfectly why I love her. It's sacred, profane, vulgar, sexy,and iconic all at the same time. The irony of this cover is completely lost on the morons of the rope, but again i'm not surprised.
As people here (and elsewhere) NEVER tire of saying, Madonna is 49. The HYPOCRISY and AGEISM continuously directed at her (in the place of any legit criticism of her work)is both sad and telling. Madonna is as beautiful and sexy as she ever was, and defies EVERY convention of what a woman pushing 50 should look like, or be doing. I never think of her age when I look at her, see her perform, or listen to her music, and neither do any of the millions of people around the world still enthralled by her. I usually find the OBSESSION with her age strictly confined to the middle aged/old people, and the ugly.
In any case the reactions in this thread are exactly what she wanted, and expected. No surprise WB released this image today, knowing the single drops on radio monday.
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I was really hoping the Interview magazine cover would also be the album cover. That picture is fantastic and pisses all over this one.
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I usually find the OBSESSION with her age strictly confined to the middle aged/old people, and the ugly.
But I'm not obsessed with her age!
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#499687 - 03/14/08 11:45 PM
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I usually find the OBSESSION with her age strictly confined to the middle aged/old people, and the ugly. But I'm not obsessed with her age!
I was actually refering to some of the others out there and on the rope.
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rather hear the Counting Crows ..
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I couldn't care less about her age. Valerie Bertinelli is also pushing 50 and I'd still give her the best 45 seconds of her life.
Madonna just doesn't look good. I've been over her look-at-me bullshit since the early '90s.
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No I wished she used the Interview shot as the album cover as well. I don't hate the new album cover but it doesn't completely thrill me.
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No I wished she used the Interview shot as the album cover as well. I don't hate the new album cover but it doesn't completely thrill me.
She could have used this cover just as easily.
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I like it.
From a marketing standpoint, it will jump right out. You can't miss it.
Must be nice to not have to put your name on the cover of your cd.
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based on response to her new single, the CD SHOULD be titled "Hard Sell"(in America,anyway)
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What was she thinking? Sure it jumps out at you, but not in a good way.
Really cheap (and desperate-looking) cover, wow.
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based on response to her new single, the CD SHOULD be titled "Hard Sell"(in America,anyway)
Post of the week!
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#499747 - 03/15/08 11:00 AM
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cmon dee-lite was great but this is just making me speechless - not in a good way
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Madonna is incredible, and this cover is sums up perfectly why I love her. It's sacred, profane, vulgar, sexy,and iconic all at the same time. The irony of this cover is completely lost on the morons of the rope, but again i'm not surprised. As people here (and elsewhere) NEVER tire of saying, Madonna is 49. The HYPOCRISY and AGEISM continuously directed at her (in the place of any legit criticism of her work)is both sad and telling. Madonna is as beautiful and sexy as she ever was, and defies EVERY convention of what a woman pushing 50 should look like, or be doing. I never think of her age when I look at her, see her perform, or listen to her music, and neither do any of the millions of people around the world still enthralled by her. I usually find the OBSESSION with her age strictly confined to the middle aged/old people, and the ugly. In any case the reactions in this thread are exactly what she wanted, and expected. No surprise WB released this image today, knowing the single drops on radio monday.
She's awesome and beautiful. Her body is better at 49 than most 25 year olds.
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cmon dee-lite was great but this is just making me speechless - not in a good way
dee-lite was great, i'm not dogging their music. i'm saying that this album cover is reminiscent but not nearly as good.
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Her body is better at 49 than most 25 year olds.
You're definitely hangin' with the wrong 25-year-olds!
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#499766 - 03/15/08 12:58 PM
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based MY response to her new single, the CD SHOULD be titled "Hard Sell"(in America,anyway)
Fixed that for you.
The fans are loving the leak so far, and the single drops on radio monday, so we'll see. The album will do just fine in the U.S., and everywhere else.
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MY response to her new single, the CD SHOULD be titled "Hard Sell"(in America,anyway)
Fixed that for you.
too bad you can't fix her new single for her; THAT's What you Get for Dissing The Stooges, Queenzilla!
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It looks like a cover to a soundtrack album to some cheap anime film.
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Needs a stylist. Her mouth looks horrible in that shot. Her teeth look bad and the lipstick is totally the wrong color. Pale lipsticks are for under 18 year olds. You'd think with all the fashionistas she hangs out with she'd know that. Those squared-off French manicures are olde hat as well.
For the rest, she's had a lot of plastic surgery and works out a lot and she's hanging in there. I think she overdoes it but she evidently likes to overdo everything.
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I just hate hate hate the typography/font on this, and the single too. It's just thoughtless and lazy looking; Comic Sans (or Zapf Dingbats) would be an improvement.
Don't mind the photo, but what exactly is she meant to be doing with her face? It looks stroke-y, and not in her usual way.
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Another HIT followed by yet another HIT. That's how it works. ...yes,and then the alarm clock goes off, you wake up, and hear the new Top Ten hit by Mariah wafting out of your Madonna-less Top 40 radio station of choice.... you should have NEVER picked on The Stooges, Ms.Bitch Face....
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speaking of pity, the new single is number 182 on the national airplay Mediabase chart, down from #145!!!!..yikes.. Mariah's "Touch My Body" by the way, is #10 with a bullet...ha ha hahaha
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refer to the 'you're boring' part of the other thread..see ya same time, next month...yawn...
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Needs a stylist. Her mouth looks horrible in that shot. Her teeth look bad and the lipstick is totally the wrong color. Pale lipsticks are for under 18 year olds. You'd think with all the fashionistas she hangs out with she'd know that. Those squared-off French manicures are olde hat as well.
Ahyuh, if she was so on it and ahead of the curve, she'd be right back to the Lucky Star days, with some bangin' freestyle beats, neons and superfancy airbrushed custom painted nails.
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Needs a stylist...Her teeth look bad and the lipstick is totally the wrong color. Pale lipsticks are for under 18 year olds. You'd think with all the fashionistas she hangs out with she'd know that. Those squared-off French manicures are olde hat as well.
But the fashionists are following her! That's why she's Madonna, and they're...Gwen Stefani.
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The problem with Madonna is that the only thing she was good for (looking fuckable) is long gone. There is no reason for her to be famous anymore.
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There's that hideous Wal-Mart font again. Typographical crime!
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That is the most unattractive thing I've seen since Pink showed up on the music scene. What are you talking about? Sorry, but short hair a disgusting nose ring and the face of a man that was beaten with a pole aren't my idea of attractive.
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There's that hideous Wal-Mart font again. Typographical crime! Dude get used to that font. It's obviously part of the theme and direction of all materials associated with this project. People get hung up on the dumbest shit around here.
Why should I get used to careless fugliness? I like Madonna, and expect better, that's all. If it's theme or direction, well what's the theme, what's the direction? I'm not "Hung Up" on it, it's just very badly, thoughtlessly designed. My design queen friends and I used to appreciate her astute taste, just the right colors, just the right typographical style. This is just slapped together. It's totally Wal-Mart, lowbrow . How strange I'm defending Madonna's former taste to you. I just see cheapness here, they clearly skimped on hiring talented young & hungry graphic designers to save a buck. It shows.
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This is just slapped together. It's totally Wal-Mart, lowbrow .
Maybe that's the demographic she's going for. Just a thought.
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#499883 - 03/15/08 11:59 PM
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Were they even at the same photo session? It looks suspiciously Photoshopped together.
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I just see cheapness here
That's the whole point of the aesthetic she's going for. She knows what she's doing, just like she always does.
Bitching and complaining about about a friggin font design choice is a waste of time, when we both know your "design queen" friends will be mincing over to bestbuy to pick up a copy on april 29th.
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ya, I agree...she chose to be cheesy. Just easier I guess
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Yeah, the font is cheap and the design is cheap too. It is SUPPOSED to be that way. But does it really work? I don't know. In any case, this album cover is incredible when you compare it to American Life's cover. Now THAT was hideous!
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I can't believe the Internet wars over this album cover. Some love it some hate it. In any case, it's the music that counts. I'm really digging Four Minutes To Save The World. It's not ever going to become a signature Madonna song but it is going to put her back on the charts, which is the entire purpose of releasing it. Then, people can pay attention to much better tracks on the album like "Give it To Me" and "Miles Away"
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amazing what the two madonna-loving skanks on the rope will say in order to apply damage control. the sleeve looks like an obvious attempt to be cheesy for the sake of cheesiness but goes way overboard. the airbrushing is quite apparent and the song is not doing nearly as well as those two twits think. looking up mediabase for facts does wonders...
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whatever you say, sweetheart. did i strike a nerve? aww, sorry about that!
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"the song is not doing nearly as well as those two twits think. looking up mediabase for facts does wonders..."
Yup, talking about facts here. And the fact that the song hasn't even been officially released yet.
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Hm...one day after the album art was revealed the album moves from 108 to 29 at Amazon.
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"Dude get used to that font. It's obviously part of the theme and direction of all materials associated with this project."
"Some people are jumping out of the window over a fucking cover and a font choice. People really need to pull their heads out of their asses, and chill."
Ok, I'm a graphic artist, and that cover simply does NOT cut it. The design is P-Shop amateur-hour, and the font is one degree shy of comic sans in terms of blatant cheesiness. I don't care about the music (as I'm not even a fan of the genre), but I'm aware of the aesthetic that her designers are going for, and the image simply does not cut it. My god, how much were these people paid to fuck up such a gimme?
Really, I have no stake in the cat fight over Madonna. I'm just looking at the graphic, and it sucks.
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Were they even at the same photo session? It looks suspiciously Photoshopped together.
it looks like madge posed with some stand-in and they then superimposed Justin's head in there.
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Ok, I'm a graphic artist, and that cover simply does NOT cut it. The design is P-Shop amateur-hour, and the font is one degree shy of comic sans in terms of blatant cheesiness. I don't care about the music (as I'm not even a fan of the genre), but I'm aware of the aesthetic that her designers are going for, and the image simply does not cut it. My god, how much were these people paid to fuck up such a gimme?
I've never (wittingly) seen any of your work, so I don't mean this personally. But while graphic artists come up with terrific stuff, graphic artists come up with crap -- by some standards, at least. In fact, pretty everything on paper has a graphic artist involved, and all of it was judged worthy by someone who was paying the bills.
You don't like the Madonna cover. Sensational. I hate Frank Gehry's architecture (and not all contemorary design; I'm not Morley Safer)), and of course a lot of people with a lot of money to spend think it's worth millions. Again, sensational.
Look at it this way: at least (most) albums aren't 12" square anymore.
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Because it doesn't deserve its own thread (any more than this album cover does), I'm putting this here:
News of the World is reporting that Madonna and Guy's marriage is on the rocks and has been for some time.
I'm surprised they've lasted as long as they have, as Guy had the attention span of a coke-addled fruit fly with ADAH.
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Maybe he'll grow his balls back and start making decent movies again.
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Maybe he'll grow his balls back and start making decent movies again.
I honestly must be the only person on the planet who liked Revolver. I don't love it, and I sure as hell don't understand it, but I do like it.
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Brings to mind Gloria Leonard, the "publisher" of High Society magazine who'd be showing off her vadge in each issue into her mid-50s. She was the publisher, after all.
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#499970 - 03/16/08 12:22 PM
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Madonna is so old there are stalagmites in her cooter.
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Maybe he'll grow his balls back and start making decent movies again.
you can say that again.
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so says the troll with the madonna obsession...
edit: so says the trollS with the madonna obsession...
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myworld, don't be upset at us because Prince and Janet Jackson's albums flopped.
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Madonna is so old there are stalagmites in her cooter.
"Ribbed" for his pleasure?
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myworld, don't be upset at us because Prince and Janet Jackson's albums flopped.
last I recalled janet just debuted at the #1 slot and this thread is about the hag vadge
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The day most people on the rope actually like what Madonna does will be the day her career is over. And I mean the real kind of over. Not the wishful thinking kind where people say she's over despite her selling millions of albums and breaking concert records.
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Crow: I don't pay any attention to the media, so I can't really address that except to say they are fixated on Youth.
I see no problem with uniting spirituality and sexuality, except where one excludes the other: Orthodox Judaism, or Fundamentalist Islam or Protestantism, say. Then one tends to negate the other.
I also believe that one's sexuality changes as one ages, and that there is such thing as "mature sexuality", which I find health and attractive in older people.
I believe that Madonna does not exude mature sexuality, but is rather still attempting to display the sexuality and physicality of someone in their mid-20's.
I find it embarrassing, in the same way that I find Mick Jagger embarrassing at this point.
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I'm totally confused. I'm coming from a position where I've never owned a Madonna lp, cd, what have you. I do, however, have a fairly reasonable grip on what our world is constantly being bombarded with by all forms of media. I've read this thread for fun and upon finishing here's where my confusion lies- 1. Media tells us how IMPORTANT it is that we don't age, have lines/wrinkles or a fat untoned body. If anyone strays from those rules they are immediately castigated without mercy. Question: Is Madge not keeping up with those societal rules? She's had the plastic surgery and is an exercise fiend from all accounts. Frankly, I'm somewhat awed that she is almost 50 years old after seeing recent pics of her! Do ropers feel their own beloved spouses/SOs are unattractive as they age and should get plastic surgeries? Do people here want their loved ones to age normally? Unless you die young, everyone here will age and most likely still want to have sex so I don't think it is realistic on any level to think people stop being sexual after they leave their 30s. 2. Someone above thread also brought up spirituality and sexuality in regards to Madonna being a problem. As a spiritual and a sexual being I have NO problem uniting the two. I feel sex/spirit aspects can be/are very compatible and a normal part of life on this planet. Question: Do most ropers feel that one cannot be comfortable with BOTH spirituality and sexuality in one's life? With great respect, I'm not out to judge answers- plain and simple just confused... and quite curious.
Great post, and the smartest thing not written by me in this thread.
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I'm a HUGE Madonna fan. Don't like the cover. But unlike people in this thread, I can state why without being incredibly sexist and ageist.
I don't like it because she looks "cheap." She's trying to look cheap and trying to come off as "I'm 50 and still sexy so if you don't like it, go f*** off."
But it doesn't work. She could have looked sexy without looking cheap and she would have had the same effect. That said, it's just an album cover. I can't believe how many pages there are on this. But who cares about the album cover when the music is excellent. I love "Four Minutes to Save The World" and "Miles Away," in my opinion, is her best song since "Ray of Light."
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#500132 - 03/17/08 03:15 AM
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1. Media tells us how IMPORTANT it is that we don't age, have lines/wrinkles or a fat untoned body. If anyone strays from those rules they are immediately castigated without mercy.
Question: Is Madge not keeping up with those societal rules? She's had the plastic surgery and is an exercise fiend from all accounts. Frankly, I'm somewhat awed that she is almost 50 years old after seeing recent pics of her!
Do ropers feel their own beloved spouses/SOs are unattractive as they age and should get plastic surgeries? My sweetheart is two months older than Madonna, but has real curves and no plastic surgery. To my eyes, she's far more beautiful than Madonna. But I'm biased.
Do people here want their loved ones to age normally? Unless you die young, everyone here will age and most likely still want to have sex so I don't think it is realistic on any level to think people stop being sexual after they leave their 30s. Age normally? Yes. But eating well and not doing things that will damage you (smoking, drinking to excess, drugs) and doing things that will benefit you physically (yoga, exercise, a meditation practice) can help slow the aging process in some cases. And sex can be wonderful even for people well out of their thirties.
2. Someone above thread also brought up spirituality and sexuality in regards to Madonna being a problem. As a spiritual and a sexual being I have NO problem uniting the two. I feel sex/spirit aspects can be/are very compatible and a normal part of life on this planet.
Question: Do most ropers feel that one cannot be comfortable with BOTH spirituality and sexuality in one's life? By all means. And being comfortable with one's sexuality can be enhanced greatly when a person embraces a more spiritual way of living.
The problem with Madonna's expression of her sexuality, for me, isn't that she combines the sexual with the spiritual; it's that she combines the sexual with a hyperactive and unhealthy amount of narcissism. There's an aggressively narcissistic quality to the image Madonna portrays to the world that I find wholly unattractive. Others may differ, but for me, it doesn't light me up like a Christmas tree.
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..she looks in shape and vital, and I agree that the ageist comments are out of line. I think many ladies get sexier as they enter their fifties
the thing is, to be pefectly frank, Maddie now cultivates a look that is not attractive to 90% of het men. She's all bone and muscle; that's kinda like trying to snuggle up in bed with a coatrack.
This look does appeal, however, to her main demographic, so there you go. She knows what she's doing.
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#500147 - 03/17/08 07:35 AM
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The problem with Madonna's expression of her sexuality, for me, isn't that she combines the sexual with the spiritual; it's that she combines the sexual with a hyperactive and unhealthy amount of narcissism. There's an aggressively narcissistic quality to the image Madonna portrays to the world that I find wholly unattractive. Others may differ, but for me, it doesn't light me up like a Christmas tree. [/quote]
Bill, I completely agree with you. I've been an on again/off again Madonna fan over the years, but I have rarely found her to be sexy in the true sense of the word. There's far too much narcissism and therefore calculated control over how she comes off. And that, to me, just takes the sexy out of the sex if you see what I mean. No vulnerability, no spontaneity - no sexy. Just someone who spends her life fighting some pretty major insecurities, if you'll pardon the psycho-babble. It's produced some great dance songs, some great images, but sexy? She's too controlling for that.
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#500160 - 03/17/08 10:22 AM
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#500196 - 03/17/08 12:40 PM
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The problem with Madonna's expression of her sexuality, for me, isn't that she combines the sexual with the spiritual; it's that she combines the sexual with a hyperactive and unhealthy amount of narcissism. There's an aggressively narcissistic quality to the image Madonna portrays to the world that I find wholly unattractive.
That's because she is incapable of expressing sexuality in a manner that isn't Narcissistic . As she is a classic textbook example of someone with NPD (Narcissistic Personality Disorder). Madonna has always been narcissism incarnate.
So let's answer these questions with Vadge in mind.
------------------------------------------------------------- At least 5 of the following should be present to qualify a person as suffering from NPD:
(1) Possesses a grandiose sense of self importance (for example: exaggerates her achievements and her talents, expects her superiority to be recognised without having the commensurate skills or achievements). (Check)
(2) Pre-occupied with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance and beauty or of ideal love. (Check)
(3) Believes that she is unique and special and that only high status and special people (or institutions) could understand her (or that it is only with such people and institutions that it is worth her while to be associated with).(Check)
(4) Demands excessive and exceptional admiration.(Check)
(5) Feels that she is deserving of exceptionally good treatment, automatic obeisance of her (usually unrealistic) expectations.(Check)
(6) Exploitative in her interpersonal relationships, uses others to achieve her goals.(Check)
(7) Lacks empathy: is disinterested in other people's needs and emotions and does not identify with them.(Check)
(8) Envies others or believes that others envy her.(Check)
(9) Displays arrogance and haughtiness.(Check) -----------------------------------------------------------
That's 9 out of 9. Which is why she chose the Kabbalah cult to represent her so called "spirituality".
And I think it's safe to say that Mangie and Twinkletoes would also qualify for 9 out of 9 as well. "Birds of a feather...". Hence her huge popularity with narcissistic, shallow, obsessively self-absorbed, gay men.
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Maddie now cultivates a look that is not attractive to 90% of het men. She's all bone and muscle; that's kinda like trying to snuggle up in bed with a coatrack.
you took the words out of my mouth, except i would have added this after "coatrack":
who's interrupting sexy time every 20 seconds to check herself in the mirror.
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#500204 - 03/17/08 01:01 PM
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Hot, not hot -- that is a matter of opinion. I think the one thing that's certain with this one ... BE SURE TO WEAR A RUBBER.
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#500223 - 03/17/08 01:36 PM
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The cover of Rubber Soul made everyone go out and buy suede. Everyone already has this (Hard Candy) outfit  Come on Madonna, we need a repressed librarian thing.
I am so sorry but Janet Jackson's currently working that look and angle...
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#500250 - 03/17/08 02:08 PM
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Another HIT followed by yet another HIT. That's how it works. ...yes,and then the alarm clock goes off, you wake up, and hear the new Top Ten hit by Mariah wafting out of your Madonna-less Top 40 radio station of choice....

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...yes,and then the alarm clock goes off, you wake up, and hear the new Top Ten hit by Mariah wafting out of your Madonna-less Top 40 radio station of choice....
Don't forget that radio will likely mention said single ties Mariah with the Beatles for most #1s. Huge. Right now she's stuck being tied with Elvis at #2.
She'll break that record even if IDJ has to buy it. They won't but they would if they had to.
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single ties Mariah with the Beatles for most #1s. Huge. Right now she's stuck being tied with Elvis at #2.
Most # 1's at Top 40 or at any format? Amazing - I wonder how many of those hits are actually remembered by folks as compared to The Beatles', Elvis' or , heck, even Madonna's hits. This must say more about the relative meaninglessness of radio in Mariah's era than the meaningfulness of her "hits".
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single ties Mariah with the Beatles for most #1s. Huge. Right now she's stuck being tied with Elvis at #2.
Most # 1's at Top 40 or at any format? Amazing - I wonder how many of those hits are actually remembered by folks as compared to The Beatles', Elvis' or , heck, even Madonna's hits. This must say more about the relative meaninglessness of radio in Mariah's era than the meaningfulness of her "hits".
Most Mariah (payola fake) hits are about as memorable as her performances.
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>>>Madonna has always been narcissism incarnate.
It's always struck me as weird that she gets such insane devotion from her fans when it's obvious she couldn't give a flying fuck about any of them, thanks to that narcissism.
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>>>That's rich coming from someone daft enough to name himself after one hero, while constantly stroking the shriveled prick of McCartney.
See, the difference is Dylan actually cares about his fans...at least enough not to gouge them with ridiculous ticket prices and then lip synching when those fans show up to see him.
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single ties Mariah with the Beatles for most #1s. Huge. Right now she's stuck being tied with Elvis at #2.
Most # 1's at Top 40 or at any format? Amazing - I wonder how many of those hits are actually remembered by folks as compared to The Beatles', Elvis' or , heck, even Madonna's hits. This must say more about the relative meaninglessness of radio in Mariah's era than the meaningfulness of her "hits". Most Mariah (payola fake) hits are about as memorable as her performances.
Wow. So Payola took place only in the 90's. Now that's entertaining. All the charts were payola back in the day. If I'm not mistaken - Soundscan wasn't around until 1991 so all those #1 albums were paid off to be placed at the top. Dinosaurs from the biz told me many stories about sitting in rooms with people talking to the chart people saying "Hey, can you make (insert artist here) #1 this week?" And if they had become friends then the answer was "yes." Hell, according to Nikki Sixx's Heroin Diaries Girls Girls Girls debuted at #1, but the record label paid Billboard to make Whitney Houston #1. If all Mariah's were payola, then certainly all Madonna's were payola and probably a big gang bang with her. One thigns obvious, her MUSIC talent didn't get her where she is today. Talk about forgettable hits. The only song I think of when I hear the name Madonna is "Girls Just want to have Fun" which was done by Cyndi Lauper and had nothing to do with Madonns at all. Madonna is the most forgetable artist of all time, on top of that, every interview I've seen of her she's a complete bitch.
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No. See the difference is Dylan doesn't lip synch (he actually performed at his R&R HoF induction!). Madonna does. All the time.
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>>>All the charts were payola back in the day.
You've posted that before and it's not true. Does the name Alan Freed ring a bell?
>>>Hell, according to Nikki Sixx's Heroin Diaries Girls Girls Girls debuted at #1, but the record label paid Billboard to make Whitney Houston #1.
That's not true, either.
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>>>All the charts were payola back in the day.
You've posted that before and it's not true. Does the name Alan Freed ring a bell?
>>>Hell, according to Nikki Sixx's Heroin Diaries Girls Girls Girls debuted at #1, but the record label paid Billboard to make Whitney Houston #1.
That's not true, either.
I guess the people with 30 years in the biz who told me those stories lied. I guess the true-life movies I've seen where label execs handing albums with money was a lie too. It happened, deal with it.
As for Nikki Sixx - read the Heroin diaries - then tell me I'm lying. According to the book - their manager said you guys had the #1 record, but somehow Whitney was placed int he #1 spot.
Payola has been going on for YEARS in the biz. A few years ago they got caught and "put an end" to it.
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#500322 - 03/17/08 03:32 PM
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>>>All the charts were payola back in the day.
You've posted that before and it's not true. Does the name Alan Freed ring a bell?
. Yes Alan Freed rings a bell.
"When the broadcasting payola scandal erupted in November 1959, Freed claimed payments he'd received from record companies were for "consultation," not as an inducement to play their records. He was fired from his radio and television programs."
He was also the recipient of payola and was fired for it. Thanks for proving my point. For always coming across as all knowing you need to learn a few things.
"In December 1962, in New York, Freed pleaded guilty to two counts of commercial bribery and was fined three hundred dollars"
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>>>but i'm sure you creamed yourself watching from home.
See, if you indeed knew your history, you'd know that it wasn't televised.
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You've posted that before and it's not true. Does the name Alan Freed ring a bell?
Citing Alan Freed seems to confirm his point (with which I'd concur) about the relationship between charts and payola -- whether it's a $100 bill slipped in an album jacket, or a couple of full-page ads. Or both.
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>>>I guess the people with 30 years in the biz who told me those stories lied. I guess the true-life movies I've seen where label execs handing albums with money was a lie too. It happened, deal with it.
I know people with way more than 30 years in this biz. I've worked for a few of them. I worked at the trade papers, too. What you say is not true. The Billboard, R&R charts, etc. were not based on payola.
>>>As for Nikki Sixx - read the Heroin diaries - then tell me I'm lying. According to the book - their manager said you guys had the #1 record, but somehow Whitney was placed int he #1 spot.
Um, yeah, when I want to know about the history of the music biz, Nikki Sixx is the expert I'd want to consult. 
I not only read the book, btw, I reviewed it. It sucked.
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>>>Citing Alan Freed seems to confirm his point (with which I'd concur) about the relationship between charts and payola -- whether it's a $100 bill slipped in an album jacket, or a couple of full-page ads. Or both.
I cited Alan Freed because that payola (for airplay, not chart position -- which, unless you're R&R, is based on sales) scandal made the practice go away or at at least very underground for a very long time after that...just as the Spitzer scandals (which he noted) did recently.
It may have been different at, say, Cashbox. And there are stories about HITS charts, which may or may not be true. But payola -- at least payola to the publication itself -- had nothing to do with the charts in the trades I used to work for.
So, you're agreeing that all the great records of the past -- including Elvis and the Beatles -- only went to the top of the charts, based totally on payola?
Because his original claim was that the charts are based on payola. And I repeat: Not true.
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>>>He was also the recipient of payola and was fired for it. Thanks for proving my point.
Um, glad to see you can Google, but the point was that the Freed scandal -- which was huge at the time -- brought the practice to the forefront and into the major newspaper headlines. It's a chapter in every major rock history book; every rock history documentary. Therefore, the scandal made the public, the government and the law aware that it was a major problem...so it wasn't used or at least went way underground for many years after that because peoople lost careers, etc.
And Alan Freed's payola was about airplay (and, to a degree, song publishing), not the sales charts.
>>>For always coming across as all knowing you need to learn a few things.
Yeah, but I still know that the Beatles weren't "the original boy band."
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Let's assume for the moment that people who compile the charts do so structly on the information that's given them relative to airplay (singles) and sales (albums).
Now tell me with a straight face that the reporting is entirely on the up-and-up.
I don't think anybody's saying that the charts are entirely fixed; simply that they don't necessarily accurately reflect the truth.
And even if the reporting were strictly honest, we're still talking about statistical sampling, which is at the very least questionable.
To quote myself in a recent project:
From time to time, reference will be made to chart positions, purportedly a measure of a records popularity as reported by any of various industry trade papers. I do this reluctantly; finding them to be largely meaningless for a number of reasons: what they supposedly represent (airplay, for the most part, and not sales); how they are determined (a sample of stations are polled); and how easily they can be manipulated. It could be, for instance, that both sides of the first [Rick] Nelson Decca single received middling airplay; it could be that the sampling was flawed one way or another and the single actually did better or worse than reported. Or, it could be that someone at Billboard or the stations was being nice to the label. Still, some people take the charts seriously, and they do serve as a measure of what was out there at the time. So I shall cite them, though with a figurative wink. All U.S. figures are from Billboard; not because theyre any less suspect than those from, say, Cash Box or Record World, but because they represent some sort of standard reference and the numbers are easily available.
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>>>I don't think anybody's saying that the charts are entirely fixed; simply that they don't necessarily accurately reflect the truth.
Um, what the gentleman posted (and he posted something similar elsewhere):
All the charts were payola back in the day
Again: All the charts
Nobody's going to tell me -- at least not with a straight face -- that "Hound Dog" b/w "Don't Be Cruel" or "Travelin' Man" b/w "Hello, Mary Lou" or "Penny Lane" b/w "Strawberry Fields Forever" went to the top of the charts due to payola.
And I believe that SoundScan made that a moot point, anyhow.
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(a) SoundScan is still a statistical sample (b) SoundScan can be fixed, too.
I'll agree that it's probably more accurate than taking reports from a clerk who's just receivd a couple of "free" Springsteen (or whatever) tickets from a label, or a disc jockey who has "co-written" a song in question.
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"The Billboard...charts, etc. were not based on payola."
calling Bill Wardlow...
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>>>or a disc jockey who has "co-written" a song in question.
Isn't that exactly what the Freed scandal sought to elminate (unless your name is Morris Levy, that is...)?
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>>>I don't think anybody's saying that the charts are entirely fixed; simply that they don't necessarily accurately reflect the truth.
Um, what the gentleman posted (and he posted something similar elsewhere):
All the charts were payola back in the day
Again: All the charts
Nobody's going to tell me -- at least not with a straight face -- that "Hound Dog" b/w "Don't Be Cruel" or "Travelin' Man" b/w "Hello, Mary Lou" or "Penny Lane" b/w "Strawberry Fields Forever" went to the top of the charts due to payola.
And I believe that SoundScan made that a moot point, anyhow. In regards to a previous post of yours, I looked up Alan Freed because I wondered where you were going by bringing in the guy who coined the phrase "Rock and Roll." It lead me to payola which backed my point.
In regards to the above, Soundscans inception in 1991 is long after those songs you mentioned.
In regards to the charts being payola. If you pay someone to report to the magazine that something is #1 when it's not, then that makes where it's charted as payola. Who recieves it doesn't matter. Anyway you slice it the ranking is payola.
As for you thinking Nikki Sixx doesn't know the business, you may want to read the book again. Guaranteed he knows 100000 fold more than you about it. All the things he brings up in his rants are good info about the companies, hell - the guy swindled the label into owning the Crue masters without paying for them. Don't tell me he doesn't know the biz and then act like you are the king of it when you are clearly not.
Girls Girls Girls was out PRIOR to soundscan, therefore he's more than likely correct in his info about Whitney having the slot paid for.
This business has ALWAYS been about swindling the artist and manipulatioon of artists. The big brunt of it is people on drugs doing biz with other people on drugs. Yeah, the charts were really on the up and up. Gimme a break.
The fact that you are a reviewer tells me all I need to know about you. You are an artist who couldn't make it so you make a life of bashing others in reviews, which you also routinely do in your posts. I also love that you brought up a statement of mine irrelevant to the topic which points to you knowing you are wrong.
I worked for a label - soundscan is manipulated all the time. When Mariah released the single just prior to going into the institution, I helped put her there. We were going around with the Destiny's Child single GIVING them t thte stores and having them sell them for a quarter or give them away for free - just make sure they scan it. Welcome to the music biz and payola.
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#500363 - 03/17/08 04:45 PM
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If your purpose for being here is to convince everyone what a clueless doucheclot you are, I think it's safe to say "mission accomplished".
Now please, go do something else.
Doucheclot.....(peach lemonade all over the Macbook)....
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#500365 - 03/17/08 04:46 PM
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The only ones that are clueless are those that don't believe that payola existed after Alan Freed got caught - especially considering sony, this decade, was fined millions for it. The more I've browsed the more it amazes me on how forums work the same everywhere. The more you post doesn't mean the more you know. Quit being offended by payola because it involved your favorite artists, embrace payola for introducing you to your favorite artists.
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#500369 - 03/17/08 04:57 PM
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>>>In regards to the above, Soundscans inception in 1991 is long after those songs you mentioned.
Well, duh! You're the one who's posted in several different threads: All charts were payola.
So, you're saying that that Elvis single and Beatles single went to No. 1 based solely on payola? You'd be wrong, if you are.
>>>I worked for a label
Well, buly for you! 
I've worked for them as well. In fact, just did my income taxes this weekend and had all kinds of work from several different labels -- both major and indie -- last year. 
>>>The fact that you are a reviewer tells me all I need to know about you.
Well, that explains a lot! Your posts are all based on assumptions, many of which have nothing to do with reality.
>>>You are an artist who couldn't make it so you make a life of bashing others in reviews
Wrong. You know nothing about me.
>>>which you also routinely do in your posts.
I get along just fine with the knowledgeable around here. It's the idiots who don't know what they're talking about who get the bashing.
>>>I also love that you brought up a statement of mine irrelevant to the topic which points to you knowing you are wrong.
It's not irrelevant when you have a history of posting around here with head planted firmly in ass.
For instance, you posted earlier this month ridiculous shit about the Beatles...and then admitted that the basis of your opinion (and introduction to them) was based on hearing The Beatles "1" album shortly after it came out. I would say, therefore, that your opinion on them (which you kept referring to as irrefutable fact -- your words) was hardly an educated one.
Nikki Sixx in this thread. Shannon Hoon in the other. Yet, Bob Dylan sucks and the Beatles were akin to Justin Timberlake. 
You are quite obiously a moron with little taste (oh, but you did work for a label, I forgot). As I've mentioned before, that would be someone who is frequently wrong but never in doubt. Therefore, you're not worth any more of my valuable time.
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#500379 - 03/17/08 05:22 PM
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>>>In regards to the above, Soundscans inception in 1991 is long after those songs you mentioned. Well, duh! You're the one who's posted in several different threads: All charts were payola.So, you're saying that that Elvis single and Beatles single went to No. 1 based solely on payola? You'd be wrong, if you are. >>>I worked for a label Well, buly for you!  I've worked for them as well. In fact, just did my income taxes this weekend and had all kinds of work from several different labels -- both major and indie -- last year.  >>>The fact that you are a reviewer tells me all I need to know about you. Well, that explains a lot! Your posts are all based on assumptions, many of which have nothing to do with reality. >>>You are an artist who couldn't make it so you make a life of bashing others in reviews Wrong. You know nothing about me. >>>which you also routinely do in your posts. I get along just fine with the knowledgeable around here. It's the idiots who don't know what they're talking about who get the bashing. >>>I also love that you brought up a statement of mine irrelevant to the topic which points to you knowing you are wrong. It's not irrelevant when you have a history of posting around here with head planted firmly in ass. For instance, you posted earlier this month ridiculous shit about the Beatles...and then admitted that the basis of your opinion (and introduction to them) was based on hearing The Beatles "1" album shortly after it came out. I would say, therefore, that your opinion on them (which you kept referring to as irrefutable fact -- your words) was hardly an educated one. Nikki Sixx in this thread. Shannon Hoon in the other. Yet, Bob Dylan sucks and the Beatles were akin to Justin Timberlake.  You are quite obiously a moron with little taste (oh, but you did work for a label, I forgot). As I've mentioned before, that would be someone who is frequently wrong but never in doubt. Therefore, you're not worth any more of my valuable time.
You state I know nothing and I think Dylan sucks. Wow - you get dumber with each post. I saw Dylan because I was a big fan of his, I own in the vicinity of 15 Dylan CDs and I think Don't Think Twice It's Alright is one of the greatest songs ever written in music. I walked out after 3 songs because it was the most god-awful thing I have ever experienced live. He purposefully played in a different key and the rythm player had to watch to figure out where he was so he could clue the band in. Aside from myself having been in the industry - my girlfriend was vocally trained for years and confirmed that I wasn't going deaf by noticing that he was no where near any relevant musical note vocally and that the instruments were way off on the first minute of the 3 songs we stayed for. I wouldn't see Dylan again if he paid me to go listen to him.
I brought up Shannon Hoon and that ruins my credability? How dumb are you? blind Melon has a rabid fan base - so much so that after 13 years on hiatus they sold out a club tour in the US.
Yes, Nikki Sixx knows more than you will ever know about the music industry. 25+ years as an artist in the biz will get youu more knowledge than most, if not everyone who posts on the board. You don't like Motley Crue - who cares? You only like everything Dylan has ever done and the Beatles. I've never seen you mention a new artist that you enjoy (granted, the majority suck royally - but if you look you'll find them). How me bringing up a book of facts by an artist in the industry takes away from my credability is beyond me. I produced facts you produced (to paraphrase) "I reviewed Nikki Sixx's book and it sucked."
A. Who cares if you reviewed the book. I reviewed a lot of albums and concerts in college. Who gives a damn?
B. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean it's not true.
C. Alan Freed in late 50s and ealy 60s was caught and fined for payola. Sony in this decade was caught and fined for payola - yet in your world you don't think payola exists or existed and that all the Beatles and Elvis records were all legit #1's with no backing with payola whatsoever. Think about it.
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