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#532874 - 06/02/08 07:47 AM
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Happened to be surfing the net after hearing Fergie's contribution to the Sex in the City Soundtrack. Ended up google'd to Amazon's MP3 store and noticed that this is only offered as ALBUM ONLY.
So, is this what the labels are wanting of Amazon with new releases? ALBUM ONLY? No more buy-by-the-song? Is this a rare incident or is this the wave of the future for the major labels...insisting on album-only sales?
Thoughts?
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#532875 - 06/02/08 07:51 AM
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The "album only" approach remains just as stupid, greedy and damaging as it was when the music biz first rolled it out years ago killing singles, sales and the quality of popular music in the process.
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#532878 - 06/02/08 08:17 AM
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Wasn't the new U2 song from their most recent greatest hits packaged the same way? IIRC, iTunes wouldn't let you get just the single (at the time it was released, that may have changed.
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#532879 - 06/02/08 08:21 AM
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Wasn't the new U2 song from their most recent greatest hits packaged the same way? IIRC, iTunes wouldn't let you get just the single (at the time it was released, that may have changed.
I think all of the new songs U2 released on greatest hits albums were available on commercial cd singles.
But I am aware of desirable recordings only available online with a dozen other recordings you don't want.
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#532882 - 06/02/08 08:37 AM
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I am not up to date on who owns what ...
But Fergie is signed as an artist to A&M or its successor company
The soundtrack is released on New Line Records
If the 2 companies are not owned by the same parent company, it would be highly unusual for singles rights to have been included in the deal.
Indeed, for soundtrack licensing it is standard policy for the
releasing label NOT to allow single download rights for any source music licensed.
So I have a feeling this specific instance is related to the latter policy.
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#532883 - 06/02/08 08:45 AM
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Yes - it's simple.
Tracks NOT owned by the releasing label are only available as "album only" because the label can't make those kinds of payments on repertoire they don't own. Hell, most labels can barely figure out how to pay royalites on repertoire they DO own.
They offer it as "album only" because the contracted royalties are based on selling the "complete album".
That being said, for what they probably paid for the license, do you think New Line wants to give up all their album sales to a single?
No Doubt never released "Don't Speak" as a physical single. Ever wonder why that album sold millions of copies?
as tomars said, it happens all the time.
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#532889 - 06/02/08 09:05 AM
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at least in the days of the 45, you got a b-side which allowed you to ponder if you ought to buy the album cause the band might be more than that one song. With a digital single. it's one and done.
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#532950 - 06/02/08 10:55 AM
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Not releasing singles is understandable for physical sales.
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#532959 - 06/02/08 11:02 AM
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Indeed, for soundtrack licensing it is standard policy for the
releasing label NOT to allow single download rights for any source music licensed.
So I have a feeling this specific instance is related to the latter policy.
Agreed. Best to understand how things work before venting...I think the old folks called it "look before you leap".
When cds, and cassettes, and vinyl were popular, it was still hard to get singles rights to soundtrack songs. So, Amazon Digital Store or not, nothing has changed.
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#533008 - 06/02/08 12:03 PM
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damn -- "Labels or Love" is album-only not only on the SATC soundtrack, but the new "deluxe" edition of The Dutchess EP. This is why people illegally download.
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#533508 - 06/03/08 02:43 AM
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Hmm...I've found it's quite the contrary....very easy to work out
the deals. i have the master...if it's under 10 minutes, it's downlaodable as a song. i help the artist get any attention at all 'cuz i'm the guy actually doing the work and getting it done.
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#533515 - 06/03/08 04:46 AM
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I don't recall seeing any albums on iTMS where they were only available as an album purchase. Tomars, please provide examples.
I guess it makes sense about the soundtrack part of the deal. Perhaps soundtracks cannot be broken up that way...?
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#533522 - 06/03/08 06:53 AM
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I've seen many soundtracks on iTMS with certain tracks that couldn't be broken up as single purchases. See Thumbsucker (Elliott Smith), Over the Hedge (Ben Folds), Lost in Translation (the Whole Thing - Kevin Shields/MBV), Elizabethtown (The Whole Thing), Elizabethtown Vol. 2 (Entire Comp)...
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#533616 - 06/03/08 12:18 PM
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Some of you have pointed out not being able to buy certain single tracks on iTMS, but this is a case where the entire album is only available as an album purchase, and I've never seen that on iTMS. I doubt that any of you could find that at iTMS, with the possible exception of very unusual jazz/indian records that perhaps have only 1 or 2 songs for the entire CD.
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#533620 - 06/03/08 12:30 PM
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iTMS has certainly done it in the past - for multi-artist comps and soundtracks. Especially in the case of "chairty" or special events records.
Digital partners of course prefer NOT to have to do it, but - what, are they not going to offer the Sex & The City soundtrack? (which, at iTMS is completely "Album Only" as well...)
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#533625 - 06/03/08 12:43 PM
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I've seen many soundtracks on iTMS with certain tracks that couldn't be broken up as single purchases. See Thumbsucker (Elliott Smith), Over the Hedge (Ben Folds), Lost in Translation (the Whole Thing - Kevin Shields/MBV), Elizabethtown (The Whole Thing), Elizabethtown Vol. 2 (Entire Comp)...
Not to be cynical, but you really aren't equating the above with Fergie as to getting singles rights, etc are you? If so quite naive, young one!
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#533626 - 06/03/08 12:44 PM
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Some of you have pointed out not being able to buy certain single tracks on iTMS, but this is a case where the entire album is only available as an album purchase, and I've never seen that on iTMS.
"entire album is only available as an album purchase", "you can't buy specific tracks from certain albums, just the album as a whole", whatever.. you can keep rephrasing it 6 ways to Sunday and it'll still mean the same thing.
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#533629 - 06/03/08 12:47 PM
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The Mudcrutch album has two songs that are only available there (and album-only, of course). If I'd already bought the CD I'd be pissed, but i didn't so I feel like I got a bargain.
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#533645 - 06/03/08 01:15 PM
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Also interesting that consumers believe that it's iTunes fault for the album-only availability.
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#533652 - 06/03/08 01:25 PM
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Of course. The "consumer" says "WHY ISN'T METALLICA ON iTUNES! FUCK YOU ELEKTRA!"
Per Andrew's earlier post - it always burned me that you needed to buy the shitty sounding cassette to get the "bonus track" (when it wasn't the b-side to the single) in the olden days.
That being said, most bonus tracks on iTunes are usually that - UK/International b-sides.
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#533654 - 06/03/08 01:25 PM
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Also interesting that consumers believe that it's iTunes fault for the album-only availability.
maybe that particular consumer but I think most have run across this issue w/ other online music-stores. (it's a nonstarter) - as w/ Oracle's persecution-complex/belief that everyone is out to trash iTunes, the consumers believing Apple/iTunes is out to fk them over are just imagining things.
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#533799 - 06/03/08 05:11 PM
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Sex And The City is also "complete album only" on iTunes. There have been many cases like this: soundtracks, charity albums, and so on.
I understand it, but I don't like it. A typical consumer might well think this is Apple's decision, not the label's.
As an FYI, any time I've seen a long song on iTunes, it's also "album only." Look up "Mountain Jam" by the Allmans and you'll see what I mean. Why they couldn't charge $1.98 (the equivalent of two singles) is beyond me. And those little skits/spoken word 15 second tracks I see on hip hop releases - $0.99.
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#533806 - 06/03/08 05:29 PM
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This thread moved me to try Amazon...got Ian Love's self titled LP and the new Gavin Rossdale. Both cheaper than Itunes and the 256 mp3s sound very good inside of high end headphones. Thx all.
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#533831 - 06/03/08 06:41 PM
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Happened to be surfing the net after hearing Fergie's contribution to the Sex in the City Soundtrack. Ended up google'd to Amazon's MP3 store and noticed that this is only offered as ALBUM ONLY.
So, is this what the labels are wanting of Amazon with new releases? ALBUM ONLY? No more buy-by-the-song? Is this a rare incident or is this the wave of the future for the major labels...insisting on album-only sales?
Thoughts?
Soundtrack albums tend to have that restriction due to licensing. UMG may not WANT that Fergie track sold individually. Ever notice how some compilations that aren't on the label owning the material have the same restrictions?
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#533833 - 06/03/08 06:41 PM
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Sex And The City is also "complete album only" on iTunes. There have been many cases like this: soundtracks, charity albums, and so on.
I understand it, but I don't like it. A typical consumer might well think this is Apple's decision, not the label's.
As an FYI, any time I've seen a long song on iTunes, it's also "album only." Look up "Mountain Jam" by the Allmans and you'll see what I mean. Why they couldn't charge $1.98 (the equivalent of two singles) is beyond me. And those little skits/spoken word 15 second tracks I see on hip hop releases - $0.99.
Blame the licensee since i am sure the licensor would LOVE to make some money selling individual tracks.
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#533834 - 06/03/08 06:43 PM
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iTMS has certainly done it in the past - for multi-artist comps and soundtracks. Especially in the case of "chairty" or special events records.
Digital partners of course prefer NOT to have to do it, but - what, are they not going to offer the Sex & The City soundtrack? (which, at iTMS is completely "Album Only" as well...)
I've seen that as well. Not unusual and as long as there are license deals, this practice will continue much to the confusion and anger of consumers.
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#533852 - 06/03/08 07:29 PM
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Blame the licensee since i am sure the licensor would LOVE to make some money selling individual tracks.
No - blame the licensor - as they'd have the leverage to offer the track themselves if they could.
And, as the track is "Album Only" on the Fergie "Deluxe Edition", even THEY are looking at "full album" sales.
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