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#534725 - 06/05/08 07:51 PM
Is the Ipod ruining music taste?
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Interesting concept about how the access to so much music is actually ruining the young listeners ability to expand musical tastes.
When every song ever recorded fits into your Ipod........
Social psychologist Barry Schwartz, author of The Paradox of Choice: Why More Is Less, identifies changes from our habit of listening to singles, too: "Less album listening means that people aren't forced to listen to things that don't turn them on right away, and as a result, tastes change less."
Personally because of the Ipod I am able to explore all the album tracks I glossed over do to time constraints and how much music I was able to fit onto cassette tapes for outlets like the car and boombox.
Sitting at a computer for work and some leisure time actually affords me the opportunity to listen to so much more music in a day than I ever was able to listen to before outside the radio.
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So interesting. I like it personally and hope you'll bring us more amazing stuffs.
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#534728 - 06/05/08 07:56 PM
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I agree that people are MORE inclined to listen to otherwise-ignored tracks on an IPod shuffle. (I know I do, and I tend to pay more attention to individual songs when I'm not making the effort to absorb a whole album). But people also seem to forget that it's just as easy to listen to a full album in sequence on an ipod.
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#534737 - 06/05/08 08:25 PM
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Someone, who subscribes to Napster and is constantly indulging in his various tastes, says he is burning himself out quickly. He'll find an artist he likes, listen, get bored, and move on.
In the past we'd all play our collections over and over again. Maybe acquire a new album or two a week, max.
So we were hearing the same music repeatedly. But what is different now is that we don't have to stick with a limited collection. We can move on, and we do.
It was like that with friends I had in NY versus friends I had in smaller towns. In New York people were quick to make friends and quick to drop them, because there were always more people to find. In smaller towns, you have to actually work things out when there are problems.
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#534754 - 06/05/08 08:57 PM
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That said, you wouldn't want someone stealing your iPod, would you?
Keep it safe.
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#534781 - 06/05/08 10:14 PM
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I still listen to albums in their entirety, even on my iPod. Although, I had a special playlist of songs I'd never played since saving them to my iTunes library and I shuffled it every morning and afternoon to and from work for about a year and a half specifically to rediscover a whole bunch of music I'd not paid attention to for some time.
I'm probably not the average iPod owner and am not using it as people typically do, but the iPod has become my hands-down favorite toy of all time. Better than my original NES and Optimus Prime without a doubt.
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#534784 - 06/05/08 10:21 PM
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The Ipod is just a glorified mix tape. It filled a consumer need after the complete album became a snake oil salesman pushing the hit single. It has ruined musical tastes no more than Top 40 radio, which (gasp) reflects popular tastes and refrains from playing complete albums.
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#534785 - 06/05/08 10:32 PM
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Mix tapes require some thought.
iPods on shuffle are a glance through a library.
Try reading a bunch of books in a row that suck.
Steve Jobs sucks.
iPods suck.
I am not Popeye.
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#534792 - 06/05/08 10:52 PM
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Well, tracks can't get onto an Ipod without the user's selection...same as a choosing em for a mix tape. I try not to read since intellectual fodder turns off groupies.
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#534804 - 06/06/08 12:04 AM
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Widespread choice in music is an Internet phenomenon rather than an iPod thing.
What I will attribute to the iPod are two cultural shifts:
1. Music is becoming more of a solitary listening experience.
2. Grabbing tons of music (most of which you probably aren't all that interested in) just to fill up the storage space.
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#534808 - 06/06/08 12:20 AM
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2. Grabbing tons of music (most of which you probably aren't all that interested in) just to fill up the storage space.
Yes. Guilty as charged. I'm a vinyl enthusiast. I spend my days with an album always playing. I just scrolled my iPod and was alarmed at how little of it I listen too. I played the new Radiohead album twice - I downloaded it the week it was released. (that would be a good thread). My iPod gets a work out when I fly. But i always feel like the digital signal is frying my brain.
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#534844 - 06/06/08 07:44 AM
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Interesting concept about how the access to so much music is actually ruining the young listeners ability to expand musical tastes.
When you look at what the musical tastes of a typical itunes shopper is, you could arguably say that it is a 'young listeners' chart..although, I'm not sure if the term 'young listeners' should really apply in that study.
It's blinkingly obvious that many ipod owners are 'hoarder-geeks', rather than a broadstroke 'young listeners'. They take great pride in the fact that they have a low quality version of thousands of albums (they probably never bought) in their pocket.
And as for iphone owners...well...how small does your cock have to be?
Hoarding songs is a trait associated with people who treat music as the audio equivalent to wallpaper - they're not really listening to the music.
If they didn't have an ipod, they would be hoarding something else. Like stamps, biros, star-trek memorabilia or umbrella handles.
That study, to me, is just another sad insight on the apple generation. A sad insight that's validated when you look at the top selling albums on itunes in 2007.
A chart which illustrates the distinct lack of taste of itunes shoppers.
There are some serious music lovers with great taste out there using ipods..but, they don't register on the radar because they're in the minority....which makes it more a study on what sort of taste in music the apple generation have.
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#534957 - 06/06/08 02:24 PM
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Widespread choice in music is an Internet phenomenon rather than an iPod thing.
What I will attribute to the iPod are two cultural shifts:
1. Music is becoming more of a solitary listening experience.
2. Grabbing tons of music (most of which you probably aren't all that interested in) just to fill up the storage space.
I was at a friends house the other day and I was watching how he experienced his music and even though we had virtually the same tools he will listening in any entirely different way. He created large playlists and would populate the lists with multiple versions of the songs he liked more so would enter the rotation more. He was listening on a set of speaker made for an ipod. I listen to my ipod in the car & when I workout and use my laptop as my jukebox and listen to specific artists or albums...
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#534959 - 06/06/08 02:32 PM
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Interesting concept about how the access to so much music is actually ruining the young listeners ability to expand musical tastes. When you look at what the musical tastes of a typical itunes shopper is, you could arguably say that it is a 'young listeners' chart..although, I'm not sure if the term 'young listeners' should really apply in that study. It's blinkingly obvious that many ipod owners are 'hoarder-geeks', rather than a broadstroke 'young listeners'. They take great pride in the fact that they have a low quality version of thousands of albums (they probably never bought) in their pocket. And as for iphone owners...well...how small does your cock have to be?Hoarding songs is a trait associated with people who treat music as the audio equivalent to wallpaper - they're not really listening to the music. If they didn't have an ipod, they would be hoarding something else. Like stamps, biros, star-trek memorabilia or umbrella handles. That study, to me, is just another sad insight on the apple generation. A sad insight that's validated when you look at the top selling albums on itunes in 2007. A chart which illustrates the distinct lack of taste of itunes shoppers. There are some serious music lovers with great taste out there using ipods..but, they don't register on the radar because they're in the minority....which makes it more a study on what sort of taste in music the apple generation have.
Instead of blaming Apple, you need to be taught a lesson in where this all TRULY started. In 1999 I was with Sony Music and at the NY meetings. They had all the higher ups there with us and did a Q&A on new technologies. All of us who actually did the work (ie. not the idiots running the company) said, "why are we suing Napster? Whay aren't we working with him to develop a new form of sales distribution." They responded with "It's in our best interest. We are working on other technologies such as store kiosks for downloading..." Those never happened and the idiots running the company remained clueless morons. Those who did the work, us, warned the morons and they didn't listen. Apple then jumped all over it and bye bye labels.
As for your inane comment that Itunes listeners are hoarders and they never bought those records - why would you then link to an Itunes chart? Obviously those were purchases. Furthermore. I own 2000+ CDs and probably 50 pieces of vinyl(I'm pairing down the stuff I don't listen to to keep it that way), I believe Dylan Dog said he owns 10,000 vinyl a great friend of mine owns around 6,000 CDs and 14,000 vinyl. Are we hoarders? No, we love music. What's the problem with that?
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#534983 - 06/06/08 03:09 PM
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My ritual:
1)Go to the record shop. 2)Agonize for an hour over what I should buy. Make multiple trips through the aisles picking up and putting back as I go. 3)Check out and leave the store and head home ASAP 4)Put on album and listen to in from start to finish and hopefully read the lyric sheets and check out the artwork.
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#535008 - 06/06/08 03:42 PM
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My ritual:
1)Go to the record shop. 2)Agonize for an hour over what I should buy. Make multiple trips through the aisles picking up and putting back as I go. 3)Check out and leave the store and head home ASAP 4)Put on album and listen to in from start to finish and hopefully read the lyric sheets and check out the artwork.
Beauty, BICKLE.
Beauty.
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#535117 - 06/06/08 06:05 PM
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Sounds like my ritual as well.
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#535174 - 06/06/08 08:01 PM
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Interesting concept about how the access to so much music is actually ruining the young listeners ability to expand musical tastes. When you look at what the musical tastes of a typical itunes shopper is, you could arguably say that it is a 'young listeners' chart..although, I'm not sure if the term 'young listeners' should really apply in that study. I t's blinkingly obvious that many ipod owners are 'hoarder-geeks', rather than a broadstroke 'young listeners'. They take great pride in the fact that they have a low quality version of thousands of albums (they probably never bought) in their pocket. Hoarding songs is a trait associated with people who treat music as the audio equivalent to wallpaper - they're not really listening to the music.
That study, to me, is just another sad insight on the apple generation. A sad insight that's validated when you look at the top selling albums on itunes in 2007. A chart which illustrates the distinct lack of taste of itunes shoppers. There are some serious music lovers with great taste out there using ipods..but, they don't register on the radar because they're in the minority....which makes it more a study on what sort of taste in music the apple generation have.
Ugh. UGH. You cannot prove a single sentence of your projections there, you tiresome, neurasthenic governess. And its a "Generation" now? That must drive you batty , poor dear, typing from your fainting couch in a draughty attic.
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#535196 - 06/06/08 09:26 PM
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I'll have to quiz the younger set of musicians I get to work with. Lord knows the ones I meet truly love music but boy they are never that far away from being to listen to it either.
First time I was in the studio I would have to make a conscience decision to bring in a tape or CD for the engineer to check out. Now at the drop of a hat I got these kids sitting in the control room yanking out their phones, mp3 players or telling me a URL to type in to watch a video or download a song. They are excited to try to turn you on to some tunes though.
One kid/young man did bring in his Al Jolson album for me to listen to. His band kicked ass.
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#535209 - 06/06/08 10:01 PM
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Funny thing about iPod assholes is that while they used to ask for "songs" from pals who were "into music", they now ask for FULL albums as they've got the space, and there's a perverse "ownership of tracks" dynamic happenning.
Again - fuck Apple and Jobs.
Still not Popeye.
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#535211 - 06/06/08 10:05 PM
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I never existed in a world without cassette tapes. Was there no vinyl swapping? No "ownership of lp" dynamic happening?
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#535219 - 06/06/08 10:27 PM
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Not to this extent.
It's a Jimi thang.
People bought "the single" or they bought "the album" or they lived without.
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#535241 - 06/06/08 11:36 PM
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Well, it's here and it's here to stay. I don't know why people lament about it so much....it's like my grandmother not wanting to get a telephone installed and then did nothing but talk to her friends on it all the time. I remember when album people complained about cassette users. too funny Appreciate it all ...but change with the times (or get left behind).
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#535286 - 06/07/08 12:08 PM
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Funny thing about iPod assholes is that while they used to ask for "songs" from pals who were "into music", they now ask for FULL albums as they've got the space, and there's a perverse "ownership of tracks" dynamic happenning.
Again - fuck Apple and Jobs.
Still not Popeye.
But you might as well be, with a sweeping bullshit generalization like that. Sounds like more of a commentary on your social circle than on the thorough survey of 50 million iPod users you no doubt conducted.
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#535288 - 06/07/08 12:16 PM
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I never existed in a world without cassette tapes. Was there no vinyl swapping? No "ownership of lp" dynamic happening?
We recorded "mixes" (although they weren't called that) on cassettes and traded with our friends.... See...same behavior, different hardware.
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#535307 - 06/07/08 02:40 PM
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I have an aux cable that I use to run my Ipod through my home stereo.
Listen via computer speakers at work...and via headphones on the go, on rapid transit, etc.
With 13,000 tracks on my Ipod (80 GB) - I've finally got all of my desert island discs that I love within reach, and of course new music as it comes out. I listen to a lot of full albums, but also enjoy as mentioned earlier, letting shuffle run quite a bit, to pull out random album tracks that I either haven't heard, or haven't heard in a while, so they are a nice surprise.
I am still a CD/liner notes guy though.....new albums get lost on my Ipod...albums that I would have listened to over and over if I was listening to the physical CD in my car (also wired for Ipod) now get 10-11 total spins over a year. I've started to keep a list of new albums as they come out and are added to my Ipod, so that hopefully stuff won't get lost in the shuffle as much.
It is indeed too much, as a kid that grew up, and would save all of his allowance to buy a particular album, listen to that album for 2-3 months, and then get another one. I was spoiled first by lots of free music from working in record stores and radio....and certainly the Ipod is a nice vehicle to carry that music with me, but yeah, it's excessive.
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#535329 - 06/07/08 04:00 PM
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As much as I'd like to say I still buy vinyl and play my records all the time, it's just not true. I've kept all my vinyl and digitized some of it, and may even eventually do a nice quasi-audiophile turntable setup. But having my whole library on the PC and a big chunk of it on an iPod has gotten me more excited about music than I've ever been in my life. And I was obsessive enough to be poring over Billboard when I was 10 years old, loved buying 10 or 12 singles a week, etc. I do have some nostalgia for those days, but being able to have such quick and unfettered access to my music trumps it. In my case it has most certainly opened up my taste, rather than ruined it. And I think high bitrate mp3's sound just fine, sorry. I've tried lossless and it just ain't worth it for me.
I just mentioned in another thread about vinyl, i love the idea of it more than the care and maintenance and luxury of time and space vinyl takes up. It's very cool some people really love it, but digital music , intangible and easily arranged and stored, is better suited for me.
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