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#542265 - 06/24/08 07:16 PM Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit
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http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/in...sit/?rand=93984

Damn, Axl must be pissed. It's on the front page of Rolling Stone.

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#542267 - 06/24/08 07:22 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Lonely Teardrops]
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Im not so worried about that, Skwerl says. Its a legal grey area since it wasnt for download, it wasnt a finished product. We arent sure who owns the recordings. I feel like I might survive this.


Well, I know for sure who doesn't own the recordings...

Idiot.

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#542268 - 06/24/08 07:24 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: teverett]
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I own them. I have them on my ipod right now! Story settled.
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#542270 - 06/24/08 07:33 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: shaolin]
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...and I was worried that the FBI was wasting it's time doing Dick Cheney's bidding!
This makes me feel so much better.
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#542272 - 06/24/08 07:36 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: jammybastard]
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I will say that the few times my property has been stolen, I couldn't get the Hollywood police even vaguely interested.

Maybe I should have called the Feds.

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#542282 - 06/24/08 08:11 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: teverett]
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Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit


Possibly the best publicity stunt of the year.

I've heard they're also headed out to Malibu to talk to the pap-beatin' surfers.

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#542291 - 06/24/08 08:56 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Earwig]
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Possibly the best publicity stunt of the year.



Exactly - all the way down to the street teamer/1st time caller (who's nickname is from the Chinese Democracy song "There Was A Time" -cute) that started this thread.

At any rate - If this type of thing warrants a visit from the FBI, Shawn Fanning would've been executed by now.
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#542312 - 06/24/08 09:51 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Willard]
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 Originally Posted By: Willard
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Possibly the best publicity stunt of the year.



Exactly - all the way down to the street teamer/1st time caller (who's nickname is from the Chinese Democracy song "There Was A Time" -cute) that started this thread.

At any rate - If this type of thing warrants a visit from the FBI, Shawn Fanning would've been executed by now.


Holy shit, you're a genius! God forbid a GN'R fan signs up here!

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#542313 - 06/24/08 09:53 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Lonely Teardrops]
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I was thinking -- well, hoping -- that you were a Jackie Wilson fan...
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#542314 - 06/24/08 09:54 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Lonely Teardrops]
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Behold...the long awaited, not very anticipated Rope return of SammyHagarsMom!

Though that user promised to wait 'til the album went Double Platinum before returning, I believe....
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#542327 - 06/24/08 10:20 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Willard]
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This is all Azoff. Wasn't it Rolling Stone who had all the inside info on the Van Halen tour before everyone else? And the very first photo of the new lineup? He must have someone there willing to post these bullshit fabricated stories. I still don't see the logic in leaking the nine, clearly unmixed, unmastered tracks though...
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#542332 - 06/24/08 10:43 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: SouthShows]
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Izzy did it!
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#542363 - 06/25/08 12:08 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Fowfan]
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 Originally Posted By: Fowfan
Izzy did it!
Ha! Please leave Izzy out of this; he's the only one who has a shred of dignity left!! Does the FBI involvement mean we won't be getting that leak of "Sorry"?

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#542406 - 06/25/08 07:37 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Lonely Teardrops]
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http://www.buddyhead.com/2008/06/21/buddyhead-rapper-1-guns-n-roses-if-the-world-remix/

Buddyhead hit the nail on the head finally.

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#542423 - 06/25/08 09:17 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: spreadycheedar]
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N.W.A. did it!
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#542432 - 06/25/08 09:51 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Lonely Teardrops]
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 Quote:
Holy shit, you're a genius! God forbid a GN'R fan signs up here!


I realize you're being sarcastic, but I'm not. Yes, God forbid it, please. We have more than our fair share of "GN'R fans" here - don't need anymore.. BUT - I'll take you over the buddyhead street-teamer who dropped in anyday.

A quick check over on the site confirmed my suspicions - it's still the year 2000 and they're still crowing about how they "totally fucked with Fred Durst, bra-HAMM!" and how that kid rubbed his ding-a-ling on SRV's guitar at SXSW 6 years ago.

Pitiful.
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#542439 - 06/25/08 10:10 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: spreadycheedar]
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 Originally Posted By: spreadycheedar
http://www.buddyhead.com/2008/06/21/buddyhead-rapper-1-guns-n-roses-if-the-world-remix/

Buddyhead hit the nail on the head finally.


I have returned to TVR just in time for this slice of total f'in genius.
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#542474 - 06/25/08 11:10 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Fowfan]
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 Originally Posted By: Fowfan
Izzy did it!

No one pees in a commercial jet sink like Izzy does.

It all sounds like a couple guys from central casting generating some valuable publicity.

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#542495 - 06/25/08 11:50 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: SouthShows]
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 Originally Posted By: SouthShows
This is all Azoff. Wasn't it Rolling Stone who had all the inside info on the Van Halen tour before everyone else? And the very first photo of the new lineup? He must have someone there willing to post these bullshit fabricated stories. I still don't see the logic in leaking the nine, clearly unmixed, unmastered tracks though...



I had the same suspicions, and now am even more. Skwerl (what a name) worked for Universal Distribution, the Rolling Stone story was online almost simultaneously with the leaks being posted on Antiquiet.com, and now the FBI is on the scene to keep the story going for another newscycle--just in time for the print version of Rolling Stone ship with a story covering the events.

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#542523 - 06/25/08 12:21 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: GordonPymPoe]
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I'm the first one to name pretty much anything like this as a publicity stunt, and the GNR leak sure sounds like one.

But.

Would the Feds wittingly get involved in such a thing?
And if they didn't know, and find out, will the whole thing blow up like an exploding cigar in Azoff's (or whoever's) face?

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#542654 - 06/25/08 03:49 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: teverett]
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The other part that screams phony publicity stunt is that Axl's "Good Friend" Sebastian is suposedly doing an interview to spill the beans on how good the record is and this and that? Obviously Sebastian is friends with Axl and knows the guys an egomaniac, he would NEVER grant Rolling Stone or ANYONE an interview to discuss Axl without his permission. Get real.
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#542666 - 06/25/08 04:22 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: teverett]
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 Originally Posted By: teverett
I'm the first one to name pretty much anything like this as a publicity stunt, and the GNR leak sure sounds like one.

But.

Would the Feds wittingly get involved in such a thing?
And if they didn't know, and find out, will the whole thing blow up like an exploding cigar in Azoff's (or whoever's) face?


Agreed, and great logic on all accounts teverett. My bet is, since this was a former Universal employee, they knew if they put the proverbial "hot potato" in his hands it would leak. On the other hand, if the Feds are investigating, and this was not orchestrated in any manner, then GN'R and Azoff were lucky in a way, and are getting priceless publicity from this. Nonetheless, one thing has now been proved, the album is at the label, as this leak came from Universal

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#542688 - 06/25/08 05:15 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: GordonPymPoe]
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The album may be at the label, but there is NO possible way these 9 songs are a completed product.
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#542692 - 06/25/08 05:26 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: GordonPymPoe]
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 Originally Posted By: GordonPymPoe
 Originally Posted By: teverett
I'm the first one to name pretty much anything like this as a publicity stunt, and the GNR leak sure sounds like one.

But.

Would the Feds wittingly get involved in such a thing?
And if they didn't know, and find out, will the whole thing blow up like an exploding cigar in Azoff's (or whoever's) face?
Agreed, and great logic on all accounts teverett. My bet is, since this was a former Universal employee, they knew if they put the proverbial "hot potato" in his hands it would leak. On the other hand, if the Feds are investigating, and this was not orchestrated in any manner, then GN'R and Azoff were lucky in a way, and are getting priceless publicity from this. Nonetheless, one thing has now been proved, the album is at the label, as this leak came from Universal


Azoff would never have his fingerprints near this. His mindset, that's a different question.

the first rule is, never ever let the scandal seep back to you.

there are no other rules.

as all know, if anyone is more good than lucky, Irv is.

 Originally Posted By: Southshows
The other part that screams phony publicity stunt is that Axl's "Good Friend" Sebastian is suposedly doing an interview to spill the beans on how good the record is and this and that? Obviously Sebastian is friends with Axl and knows the guys an egomaniac, he would NEVER grant Rolling Stone or ANYONE an interview to discuss Axl without his permission. Get real.


assume this is all true, and worse. then there is only one question.

WHO CARES?

it doesn't matter. the idea is to promote. bake someone a cake, if you must. but having this record dominate ANYTHING, news, blogs, retail charts, gossip columns, it's all GOOD.
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#542693 - 06/25/08 05:27 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: rockwidow]
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Double that rockwidow..the Little Bear is WAY too smart.
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#542712 - 06/25/08 06:26 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: Lonely Teardrops]
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This would not be Irving and certainly not Axl.

One hears that the "negotiations" are not done to provide Axl with what he wants that would enable a release.
The master has been delivered but the chances of it being in the hands of someone from distribution is fair to none.

Now if Jimmy wanted to speed things along.....maybe something could accidently leak.
Forcing the hand and some nice press.
Just saying.
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#542719 - 06/25/08 07:16 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: AbbeBigou]
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Maybe the "visit from the FBI" is fake too.
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#542728 - 06/25/08 07:51 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: QueenSheDevilCow]
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could the leaks have come from a former manager?
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#542753 - 06/25/08 09:30 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: AbbeBigou]
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 Originally Posted By: AbbeBigou
This would not be Irving and certainly not Axl.

One hears that the "negotiations" are not done to provide Axl with what he wants that would enable a release.
The master has been delivered but the chances of it being in the hands of someone from distribution is fair to none.

Now if Jimmy wanted to speed things along.....maybe something could accidently leak.
Forcing the hand and some nice press.
Just saying.


Abbe, can you clarify your statement regarding the "negotiations"...not quite sure I am interpreting it properly?

In other news, Rolling Stone is reporting tonight that Axl is penning an autobiography:

http://www.rollingstone.com/rockdaily/in...l-to-estranged/

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#542754 - 06/25/08 09:31 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: RnRJunkie]
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 Originally Posted By: RnRJunkie
could the leaks have come from a former manager?


on self-interest basis alone, the probability of that is about 100% NOT MERK

if he has not been paid, why would he risk the backlash?

if he has been paid, why would he risk giving any of it back?

On the same basis of self-interest, there's a tone of rung bell within Abbe's insights

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#542759 - 06/25/08 09:44 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: rockwidow]
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Maybe my mind is not working correctly due to travel and a lack of sleep, but what is Abbe getting at here (odd sentence structure is throwing me off)?:

"One hears that the "negotiations" are not done to provide Axl with what he wants that would enable a release."

To paraphrase, are you saying the negotiations are not completed yet, thus their is no release

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#542766 - 06/25/08 10:04 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: GordonPymPoe]
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 Originally Posted By: GordonPymPoe
Maybe my mind is not working correctly due to travel and a lack of sleep, but what is Abbe getting at here (odd sentence structure is throwing me off)?:

"One hears that the "negotiations" are not done to provide Axl with what he wants that would enable a release."

To paraphrase, are you saying the negotiations are not completed yet, thus their is no release


- negotiations are still ongoing, and Axl has final approval on record going to street
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#542769 - 06/25/08 10:15 PM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: rockwidow]
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Something must be brewing, as Rolling Stone has been posting about two stories a day, online, since last Thursday. How do Iovine and Azoff get along?
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#542800 - 06/26/08 01:14 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: DevilsAdvocate]
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Huh. I gave up on this band and record seven years ago. Axl shoulda given the tracks away online to fans about five years ago after dicking fans around for 8 years anyway. If he had, he'd probably still be relevant and able to sellout stadiums somewhere besides Honduras and Guam.
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#542812 - 06/26/08 03:55 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: GordonPymPoe]
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above all else, jimmy respects street smarts, and irv is that par excellence
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#542827 - 06/26/08 08:32 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: rockwidow]
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Perhaps the FBI staged it as a publicity stunt.
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#542830 - 06/26/08 09:03 AM Re: Chinese Democracy leaker gets FBI visit [Re: teverett]
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 Originally Posted By: teverett
Would the Feds wittingly get involved in such a thing?


When democracy is in question, the Feds always get involved.

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