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#581972 - 10/02/08 03:48 PM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: ginchopolis]
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Yeh, well, they're "doing" Sha Na Na.

Of course, de Palma hasn't had an original idea in his life.


You want the read thing, largely recreated, see America Hot Wax.

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#581985 - 10/02/08 04:15 PM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: Dylan_Dog]
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 Originally Posted By: Dylan_Dog
However, I can't believe the discussion has gone this far without mentioning Elvis (and the other early rockers) who were also the true rebels of the '50s...and where the Sha Na Na ethos of musical "greaser" originated in the first place. And I can't believe his name isn't mentioned in the original paper.

Second sentence in the intro: "...the Kingsmen, outfitted in gold lame and sporting Elvis Presley hairdos, performed original dances while singing classic Fifties rock n roll."

But yeah. If Elvis' use of Royal Crown hair dressing (99% petrolatum) isn't the absolute embodiment of "greaser" then I don't know what would be...

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#581989 - 10/02/08 04:24 PM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: elvissinatra]
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 Originally Posted By: elvissinatra

But yeah. If Elvis' use of Royal Crown hair dressing (99% petrolatum) isn't the absolute embodiment of "greaser" then I don't know what would be...


Think we're talking here about people who framed the 50's a certain way in retrospect, rather than people who actually did the 50's during the 50's.

Not forgetting those four greasy guys who played Hamburg in 1962, before their manager cleaned 'em up...

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#581992 - 10/02/08 04:28 PM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: elvissinatra]
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Also, I'm surprised that nobody so far has pointed out the byline of the Columbia article: "By George J. Leonard 67, 68 GSAS, 72 GSAS and Robert A. Leonard 70, 73 GSAS, 82 GSAS." Yeah, it was written by two of the founders of Sha Na Na.

But in the final paragraphs, they pretty much dismiss the post-modern implication that they invented "the Fifties":

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We admire the way that Guffey and Marcus accurately deduced, from imaginative research, the 1969 Kingsmens conscious intent to invent a Fifties that would reunite Columbias shattered, polarized student body by having them relive together their roots. Writing this essay, however, recalled our attention to Hobsbawm, Trevor-Roper and hard-line cultural historians, such as Jean Baudrillard (popularized by The Matrix) who (unlike Guffey and Marcus) at the least, imply that people like us have invented history out of whole cloth.

The invention of history is a topic about which we can speak with odd authority; we know we, at least, did not invent history, we selected it. Thats a great difference. On stage, the careful choice of songs by music directors Al Cooper 71 and Elliot Cahn 70 constructed a new montage of the Fifties, based on the plots, themes, recurrent character types and musical emotions already contained in the music. The resulting Sha Na Na Fifties myth was not, therefore, newly-minted only newly-selected.

The Columbia test case, then, suggests that even he who controls the present can still, at best, only select from the past. Looking at the skies, we deliberately drew lines between new stars to create a new constellation. But we did not, could not, create the stars themselves. The past too exists, even though we select from it.

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#581994 - 10/02/08 04:30 PM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: elvissinatra]
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 Originally Posted By: elvissinatra
Also, I'm surprised that nobody so far has pointed out the byline of the Columbia article: "By George J. Leonard 67, 68 GSAS, 72 GSAS and Robert A. Leonard 70, 73 GSAS, 82 GSAS." Yeah, it was written by two of the founders of Sha Na Na.


HA! Okay, the case has been wrapped up.

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#582000 - 10/02/08 04:39 PM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: RealMuso]
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From Wikipedia:

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Founding member of the band, Robert Leonard, is a professor of linguistics at Hofstra University. The group's first guitarist, Henry Gross, went on to become a solo performer, and had a hit single titled "Shannon" in 1976.

Another Founding member Alan Cooper, the lead singer in the group's performance of "At The Hop" in the Woodstock film, also went on to an academic career. He taught religious studies for ten years at McMaster University in Hamilton, Ontario, Canada, was a professor of Bible studies at the Jewish Theological Seminaryin New York and now serves as the Elaine Ravich Professor of Jewish Studies and provost at the Jewish Theological Seminary.

Long time member, Jon "Bowzer" Bauman, replaced Alan Cooper and became a recognizable member of the group as he taunted audiences while he flexed his muscles, burped and spat in the direction of the bass player. Today, Bowzer continues to tour under his own banner. Elliot Cahn, the group's original rhythm guitar player and musical arranger, later became the first manager of Green Day.

"Screaming" Scott Simon replaced Joe Witkin, the original keyboard player (and singer of Teenager in Love on their first album). Today, Witkin is an E.R. physician living with his family in San Diego, CA and playing with a band "The Corvettes" (http://www.thecorvettes.com/Home.html) doing an oldies revue. Scott Powell today is a specialist in Orthopedic Surgery and Sports Medicine. He performed on the TV show under the stage name "Santini" (which he changed from his previous alias, "Captain Outrageous"). Powell left the band in 1980 and returned to Columbia to take pre-medical courses. He is a member of the Medical Staff of US Soccer National Teams, Team Physician for the U.S. Soccer Federation Womens National Team and an Associate Clinical Professor at the USC. While with Sha Na Na he sang the bulk of the Elvis revival songs.

Frederick "Denny" Greene left the group to pursue studies in Law. After graduating from Yale Law School, he became Vice President of Production and Features at Columbia Pictures. He is currently a Professor at the University of Dayton. Greene was known for his skilled dancing and sang the lead in "Tears On My Pillow", "Duke of Earl" and others.

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#582164 - 10/02/08 09:31 PM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: MercuryXL]
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 Originally Posted By: MercuryXL
The greaser "Fonz" image of the loveable rebel, was a fiction that most of the US takes for granted. He was a wildly commercial stand in for the real rebels, the Beats, made family and TV-friendly a mere 20 years later.


cf. Maynard G. Krebs?

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#582387 - 10/03/08 05:17 AM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: MercuryXL]
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 Originally Posted By: MercuryXL
 Originally Posted By: RealMuso
The writer does overlook that "grease" was alreaedy a catchphrase by the early 60's-- though in a less complimentary sense. See "greasy kid stuff".


Yes, "grease" was a word in the English language.


I believe the term "greaser" was originally coined for mechanic types who used that lubricant in their hair, for their pompadours and other Squiggy-type coifs.

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#582391 - 10/03/08 05:35 AM Re: Did Sha Na Na Invent "The 50's" ? [Re: adma]
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 Originally Posted By: adma
 Originally Posted By: MercuryXL
The greaser "Fonz" image of the loveable rebel, was a fiction that most of the US takes for granted. He was a wildly commercial stand in for the real rebels, the Beats, made family and TV-friendly a mere 20 years later.


cf. Maynard G. Krebs?


heyyyy sit on it.....




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