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will Michael Jackson bring every trophy to rocknroll heaven with him? Will The Beatles get their due tonight? How enormous will the ratings be, with all awards shows enjoying massive increases in the past year? and what impact will this all have on music sales in this coming holiday week?
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#686592 - 11/22/09 01:22 PM
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It must be good for the network; they keep running it. A few extra bucks to Dick Clark Productions. The performances can sometimes be interesting. It's TV exposure for some acts that don't get much.
I won't be watching. Again. Used to be a real pain in the ass to cover, I'll tell you.
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#686616 - 11/22/09 05:18 PM
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#686622 - 11/22/09 07:24 PM
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No Miley?
My prediction-Darius Rucker-Best New Artist..
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#686630 - 11/22/09 08:13 PM
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Taylor Swift has six noms and has outsold every living artist this year, but it will get real boring if she wins big, because she's out of the country on tour.
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#686631 - 11/22/09 08:19 PM
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Who wins? Who cares. The shows been a joke from practically the time it started in the 70's.
Will be interesting to see Nuno play with Rihanna though.
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#686636 - 11/22/09 09:59 PM
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Lady Gaga blows me away. Yeah she is crazy (like a fox) but hell, the video for "Bad Romance" had my eyes glued the first time I saw it. Tonight's performance, breaking the glass box, stepping inside and playing the piano in flame was certainly more performance art than award show crap.
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#686637 - 11/22/09 10:04 PM
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LOL @ J-Lo falling on her big ass. Epic Fail!!!
Cute song though. Would have been better for Brandy who it was written for.
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#686638 - 11/22/09 10:06 PM
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Whitney CAN still sing...and the crowd goes wild THE moment of the night
and the "MainMan" esthetic lives on in 2010; Thank you Jesus for ADAM LAMBERT
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#686643 - 11/22/09 10:58 PM
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Wow that Adam Lambert song blew...it was like "Womanizer" karaoke.
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#686644 - 11/22/09 11:00 PM
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all the way to the bank, baybee.. a new generation of 'bowie boys' was born tonite, coast to coast...
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Did anyone else have a blackout moment during Lambert's number. Here there was a full black screen for about 30 seconds or so. Maybe right after he grabbed a dancer's crotch? Hahaaha
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#686646 - 11/22/09 11:21 PM
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Did anyone else have a blackout moment during Lambert's number. Here there was a full black screen for about 30 seconds or so. Maybe right after he grabbed a dancer's crotch? Hahaaha
I did not catch that, but I did see when Adam smooshed one of the male dancers' faces into his own crotch....freaky!!!
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#686648 - 11/22/09 11:47 PM
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Oh I am sure that whole thing will be rehashed ad nauseum in the "press" tomorrow
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#686651 - 11/23/09 12:18 AM
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Hope Kanye West took note that the best way to win awards is to overdose. What did Michael Jackson do to get all those trophies other than die?
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#686653 - 11/23/09 12:47 AM
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Whitney CAN still sing...and the crowd goes wild THE moment of the night
and the "MainMan" esthetic lives on in 2010; Thank you Jesus for ADAM LAMBERT
Whitney croaked. I think the audience felt bad for her.
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#686654 - 11/23/09 12:51 AM
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Who really sang (if anyone) and who's vocals were canned?
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#686655 - 11/23/09 12:55 AM
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Now, that's what I call "event television."
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#686656 - 11/23/09 12:56 AM
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LOL @ J-Lo falling on her big ass. Epic Fail!!!
Cute song though. Would have been better for Brandy who it was written for.
The fall was edited out of the West Coast feed. No fair!
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#686657 - 11/23/09 12:59 AM
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Lady Gaga blows me away. Yeah she is crazy (like a fox) but hell, the video for "Bad Romance" had my eyes glued the first time I saw it. Tonight's performance, breaking the glass box, stepping inside and playing the piano in flame was certainly more performance art than award show crap.
But Taylor must have more fans than Gaga, since she was able to snag that "Breakthrough" award for her opening act.
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#686658 - 11/23/09 01:05 AM
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The fall was edited out of the West Coast feed. No fair!
For your viewing pleasure.
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the J-Lo performance and song are terrible.
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#686660 - 11/23/09 01:29 AM
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Yeah, like we hadn't all seen it already. Did any of the profanity in the Eminem number make it onto TV on the East Coast? It was unlistenable out here.
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Yeah, like we hadn't all seen it already.
You're welcome!
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No offense intended! But I thought it was ridiculous to delete something that so many people had seen already. These shows are tedious enough already without cutting out the good parts. ;-)
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#686670 - 11/23/09 07:52 AM
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Who really sang (if anyone) and who's vocals were canned?
It was a mixed bag. Gaga was live to track. Rihanna was a hot tracked mess as usual with bits of live interaction. Whitney was live I'd say. Alicia Keys was track on her performance but live to track with Jay.....off the top of my head.
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#686671 - 11/23/09 09:13 AM
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Whitney was horrible. Was she singing, preaching, off the wagon...??? Lambert was predictably entertaining (sorry no pun intended). Vocally, the "guy" was all over the place....not in a good way. Those high pitch wails got old really fast. Whatever, I'm sure he'll move a gazillion units. The aforementioned J-Lo fall was classic....Jen, it might be time to go away once and for all! Daughtry was eh, Green Day was good, Gaga was fun. Take the show for what it is, another promo before the holidays.
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#686673 - 11/23/09 10:23 AM
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Who really sang (if anyone) and who's vocals were canned? It was a mixed bag. Gaga was live to track. Rihanna was a hot tracked mess as usual with bits of live interaction. Whitney was live I'd say. Alicia Keys was track on her performance but live to track with Jay.....off the top of my head.
Was it just me, or was Keith Urban's performance canned? It sounded just too damn studio perfect to me. I'm not a fan, but I'd expect better from him.
Conversely, Green Day's performance was clearly the sound of a band plugging in a playing live, imperfections and all.
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#686675 - 11/23/09 10:33 AM
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How many VelvetRopers voted for this? If you don't like the outcome, then you should have voted. Vote next year.
American Music Awards Voting webpage
Let's see who gets a bump in sales.
There is a huge crowd lining up for the Lady GaGa meet and greet at BestBuy West Los Angeles today.
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#686679 - 11/23/09 10:54 AM
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Hope Kanye West took note that the best way to win awards is to overdose. What did Michael Jackson do to get all those trophies other than die?
Why did MJ's "The Ones" from 2003 win an award last night???
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That was just an ill-conceived bit of dance routine in the first place. Even if she wouldn't have biffed, it looked clumsy as hell. The choreographer(s) and mgt should be on the hook for that one. I mean in rehearsals I'm sure it couldn't have been like, "yeah that's sweet." Unless she was impaired or all of a sudden stone-cold nervous last night b/c she was shaky climbing those backs.
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#686687 - 11/23/09 12:04 PM
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We all lose.
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#686691 - 11/23/09 12:27 PM
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Lambert took a spill as well. Maybe that's what was edited on west coast. He recovered better than jlo, as I'd expect. Still, the boy needs songs and better control of his voice - or at least the taste to avoid going ott with it 15 times within each 3 minute song.
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That JLo song is horrible. There's no chorus. We don't want anyone singing about $500 shoes when the economy is so bad. The fall on her ass was appropriate on so many levels.
I thought Whitney killed it. It was live, whereas the Oprah appearance was taped and tracked. No, it's not '90s Whitney quality voice, but I love a comeback. Still better than JLo or Rihanna or Swift or Fergie, etc. etc.
As much as I love some good raunch and am all for Lambert being provocative, I'm not sure his debut, on Dick Clark's AMAs, on a Disney-owned channel, is so appropriate. Pushing the sexual envelope is one thing, but fucking a guy's face and fingering a pole dancer is best left to the video. I just saw it as an amateurish move, meant to grab headlines. As a debut outside of AI, he should have let his vocal talent speak for itself.
Speaking of AI, geez -- Underwood, Clarkson, Daughtry and Lambert. It really has taken over the business.
Gaga never disappoints. Too bad she demanded that Perez get some on-air time. Who cares about him?
Green Day -- did anyone else get the feeling BJA was getting over a cold or something? The energy wasn't there. Still sounded good, though.
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I've said it before, Lambert is an awful, awful singer...
He sounds like a cartoonish muppet, has a terrible voice.
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#686695 - 11/23/09 12:47 PM
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Where oh f*cking where did we go so wrong? That show looked like an ill-conceived broadway show about what music was-supposed-to look like. Just bloody awful. Adam screaming? Gaga doing horribly overwrought performance art. Green Day boring as hell. Can't someone tell Billie Joe THAT SONG SUCKS. STOP FRICKING PLAYING IT AND LOSING SALES. (Pat M; WTF?). Keith Urban...singing a song fit for David Cassidy? Janet (and nearly everyone else lip-syncing). Eminem couldn't even get it up for the event. Whitney looking even worse off crack. J-Lo laughable for trying to stay in the game. Shakira was "just ok", Jay-Z and Alicia probably the best of the night. And what's up with these acts doing the same skits they just did on the last awards show (paging Carrie U). Daughtry, go back to frickin Oklahoma, please. You are NOT rock.
Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.
RIP, Michael. You had it all over every one of these loser acts.
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Where oh f*cking where did we go so wrong? That show looked like an ill-conceived broadway show about what music was-supposed-to look like. Just bloody awful. Adam screaming? Gaga doing horribly overwrought performance art. Green Day boring as hell. Can't someone tell Billie Joe THAT SONG SUCKS. STOP FRICKING PLAYING IT AND LOSING SALES. (Pat M; WTF?). Keith Urban...singing a song fit for David Cassidy? Janet (and nearly everyone else lip-syncing). Eminem couldn't even get it up for the event. Whitney looking even worse off crack. J-Lo laughable for trying to stay in the game. Shakira was "just ok", Jay-Z and Alicia probably the best of the night. And what's up with these acts doing the same skits they just did on the last awards show (paging Carrie U). Daughtry, go back to frickin Oklahoma, please. You are NOT rock.
Pathetic, pathetic, pathetic.
RIP, Michael. You had it all over every one of these loser acts.
You are so fucking right on the money. Its always been second rate anyway. I couldn't have said it better. Seacrest a worldwide superstar (as introduced). What brand of crack are these jackasses smoking? He's Dick Clark's lap dog. This is where we have gotten to.
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And they wonder why there are so many pot clinics in L.A. It's because you HAVE to be stoned to look these losers in the face and tell them you loved their album/performance/dancing, etc. Give me my fricking pipe RIGHT NOW.
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My first post and I'm already a hater. This show was a commercial. But Lady Gaga has a great ass.
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My theory of DeEvolution was brought one step closer to comfirmation due to the AMA's last night. The human species peaked quite a while ago, now we go go back into the ooze.......
Question about music/film/arts circa 2009: Is this REALLY what the mass wants? Have we truly degraded this much?
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Trix, you pose a good question. I mean seriously, did we see *any* true artistry up there? I can't think of a single performance that even approached that word, although Mary J. and Alicia/Jay weren't horrible. (Funny to me that I'd be pointing out a rap record as being one of the best). Just a pathetic night of (mostly) lip-sync, dancing, posturing, selling and overblowing. Not a single redeeming moment for me, although Kate's dress was entertaining for a few seconds. But that's just sexist nonsense...the show itself shows how low the industry has taken us. wow.
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the lower you go, the higher you get...yee har vive le revolution...
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Adam Lambert: It really makes me feel great to hear yet another male singer with a great voice misusing his talent. He could have done something very meaningful and put a bit of soul in his act, but he decided to try to be Madonna without showing skin. He's now a joke act, I'm sorry to say. I think the gay community should get as far away as possible from him.
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Anne, thank you. When Adam was on Idol, he did some STUNNING renditions of tunes...reworking them very dramatically, etc. No question, the guy can really sing. So why do such a cartoon as your first single. I think last night's performance LOST him fans. You're totally right, now a complete joke act.
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I agree. He's craving the fame. He's young. He won't have the luxury of development. He'll be fetal positioned eating Haagan Das with Perez in no time.
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...He'll be fetal positioned eating Haagan Das with Perez in no time.
Quote of the day!
I guess we weren't alone in our thinking. There are others.
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Wow. Out of curiosity I watched that performance of Lambert and others on YouTube. What a joke. It's almost too funny. Do these idiots realize how bad they suck?
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WHITney...has VASTly improved!! Incredible..in what? 2 months...she had much better control and distance on her tones...she seemed much more comfortable and grateful for her opportunity..it was wonderfull...the top of her tone is still mostly gone...but it does seem to somehow..be healing..incredible
the rest? Witnessing the DECLINE of western culture...right there...except for witnessing the bRIlliance of the Gaga Getup...she's a bit twisted...kinda Eltonish, circa,,,what? 1980?
Lambert, Flambert....no wonder the original Adam was followed by Cain and Abel...totally calculated move on his part,,,he thought he was so "ahead of the curve" so "righteous" so "rock n roll" ...as he screeched a half hurl right into the abysmal of over the edge, forget the top
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At this point, if a show hypes a performance by Lady Gaga, I'm bound to tune in or hunt it down on youtube for the sole reason that she damn well knows how to do something special for each event. New hair. New dress. New freakish backup dancers and backdrop. The flaming piano inside the glass box was a nice touch.
She makes the effort.
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the show pulled over 14 million viewers, biggest AMA numbers in years and years, great pre holiday exposure for the music industry in general, and Adam and GaGa lead the march of the next wave of glam and glitter... and the white people will just have to get over it!!!
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Anne, thank you. When Adam was on Idol, he did some STUNNING renditions of tunes...reworking them very dramatically, etc. No question, the guy can really sing. So why do such a cartoon as your first single. I think last night's performance LOST him fans. You're totally right, now a complete joke act.
I'm sure he's gained some fans, his kind of music sells. It might not be to us, but he'll have fans out of the box. Plus the TV exposure is always great even if you're not a complete package (he's not.)
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end.
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He's supposedly on Letterman Wednesday night.
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end.
Nah, it'll just make him more famous and up the ratings of the shows he does do. Are they upset because he's racyor because he's gay?
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end. Nah, it'll just make him more famous and up the ratings of the shows he does do. Are they upset because he's racyor because he's gay?
Other than Ellen and the night time talkers, I don't see much for him to do. They didn't specify but I'm sure its a little of both.
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end. Nah, it'll just make him more famous and up the ratings of the shows he does do. Are they upset because he's racyor because he's gay? Disney calls the shots, so it wouldn't be because he's gay. They're afraid that the pre-schoolers who click on the TV that time of the morning will ask Mommy why that man has his mouth on Adam's crotch...
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Wait a minute. Did you say Lambert's gay? Whaaaat?
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end. Nah, it'll just make him more famous and up the ratings of the shows he does do. Are they upset because he's racyor because he's gay? Other than Ellen and the night time talkers, I don't see much for him to do. They didn't specify but I'm sure its a little of both.
Aren't the "night time talkers" more suitable for his audience anyway? I wouldn't get up in time to watch any morning show unless an earthquake hit L.A. at 8 am. SNL ought to grab him while he has so much material for skits.
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Seriously, do all these stunts really help with sales? Taylor Swift sold mega units even before the Kanye incident, some fresh-faced kid who gets famous singing on YouTube caused a riot in an in-store, and the biggest movie this year appeals to mall rats and their moms. And not a handjob in sight...
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Ok, I just watched Glambert's appearance, http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977915955&grpId=3659174697259616 I found it utterly disgusting. I was one of those that was bowled over by his performances on AI, but now I see him resorting to cheap tricks to stay afloat. His voice was like screaming cats mating. The three blatant sexual acts were way over the top, and in terrible bad taste for prime-time viewing.
His 15 are up now. I see him slowly making the downward spiral, to local theater. One day we will pick up a People magazine, with a Where Are They Now pictoral on AI alumni. Adam will be in it.
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#686868 - 11/24/09 04:59 PM
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Ok, I just watched Glambert's appearance, http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977915955&grpId=3659174697259616 I found it utterly disgusting. I was one of those that was bowled over by his performances on AI, but now I see him resorting to cheap tricks to stay afloat. His voice was like screaming cats mating. The three blatant sexual acts were way over the top, and in terrible bad taste for prime-time viewing. His 15 are up now. I see him slowly making the downward spiral, to local theater. One day we will pick up a People magazine, with a Where Are They Now pictoral on AI alumni. Adam will be in it. He needs to work on pitch control and be less concerned with stunts if he wants to open for Lady Gaga in the future like I know he does...
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end.
ABC Drops Adam Lambert, and CBS Picks Him Up
By DAVE ITZKOFF Published: November 24, 2009
Two days after giving a sexually charged performance at the American Music Awards, the singer Adam Lambert found himself abruptly dropped by one network morning show and just as abruptly booked on another.
On Tuesday morning ABC said it had canceled a free concert that Mr. Lambert, the American Idol runner-up, had been scheduled to perform on Wednesday on Good Morning America, the ABC morning show. Hours later, CBS said Mr. Lambert would instead appear on Wednesday morning on The Early Show, a Good Morning America competitor.
In canceling the Good Morning America concert, which was to be performed at the Hudson Theater in Midtown Manhattan, ABC specifically cited Mr. Lamberts behavior on Sunday night at the American Music Awards, which were also broadcast on ABC.
Given his controversial American Music Awards performance, we were concerned about airing a similar concert so early in the morning, a network spokeswoman said. While singing his song For Your Entertainment, from his newly released album of the same title, Mr. Lambert variously thrust his crotch at dancers of different genders, kissed his male keyboardist and extended his middle finger to the camera.
The network, which briefly edited that live performance to omit Mr. Lamberts simulation of a sex act when the awards show was rebroadcast on the West Coast, said it had received more than 1,500 complaints from viewers.
In a statement, Dick Clark Productions, which produces the American Music Awards, said, Due to the live nature of the show, we did not expect the impromptu moment in question.
In an interview with rollingstone.com, Mr. Lambert defended his American Music Awards appearance, saying he was the victim of a double standard in the entertainment industry.
Female performers have been doing this for years pushing the envelope about sexuality and the minute a man does it, everybody freaks out, Mr. Lambert said.
In a radio interview with Ryan Seacrest, the American Idol host, Mr. Lambert said he accepted ABCs decision to withdraw his invitation to Good Morning America.
I respect their decision, Mr. Lambert said. I dont necessarily agree with it, but they need to do what they need to do.
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thank you ABC TV, Vive Le Publicite! a new birth of glitter rock/glam rock via GaGa,Lambert, Donny Osmond in Adam Ant 'Prince Charming' drag on "Dancing With The Stars... Lambert is very much now the Sex Pistols on that Brit TV show where they said 'fuck" and got banned.. and sales went through the roof! Vive Le Glam a Rama Ding Dong
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Good thing Ed Sullivan's deadshowing Glambert from the waist up won't help any. ;-)
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by the way,for those who follow such things, the MainMan old timers are enjoying these latest developments very much... having seen it all played out already decades ago(when amazing Bowie singles were persona non grata at US Top 40 radio after startling shots of Ziggy 'giving head' to Mick Ronson's guitar on the cover of Melody Maker and Bowie declaring "I'm GAY!!" circa 1972... everything old is new again..
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end. Two days after giving a sexually charged performance at the American Music Awards, the singer Adam Lambert found himself abruptly dropped by one network morning show and just as abruptly booked on another.
WHAT sexually-charged performance? There was nothing sexual about Adam's performance.
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He explained why he gave the finger:
"We were having a good time," he told MTV News on Tuesday (November 24) about the performance, adding that as soon as he gave the finger he knew he had taken things to another level.
"Literally, as I did it, I went, 'Oh god, what am I doing?' " he explained. "I was out of body. You know, the finger was to the people that have been criticizing me. The finger was to the people who doubt me. The finger was to the people that were about to censor me. The finger was not to fans or people who support me at all, by any means.
"The finger was to 'Out' magazine's editor who wailed into me, people like that," he continued. "It wasn't premeditated; it just kind of happened. In the end ... it was to prove freedom of expression and to prove I am in control of my situation. I am an artist and I'm here to express myself. My intention wasn't to upset people."
http://www.mtv.com/news/articles/1627065/2...can_idol_.jhtml
From Ricky.org
Wow. I have no words. Well actually I do.
So Adam Lambert refused to talk about gay politics and decides to show the finger on live television to the editor of OUT Magazine and when he gets criticized for his lewd performance on the AMAs and gets removed from a high profile performance on Good Morning America, he cries discrimination. Perez Hilton comes to his rescue. The uber-fans become gay activists overnight on Twitter.
Your album is selling for 99 cents on Amazon.com Adam. Good luck.
Get Adam Lamberts entire debut album For Your Entertainment for $.99! Use coupon code MP34FREE at checkout!
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end. Two days after giving a sexually charged performance at the American Music Awards, the singer Adam Lambert found himself abruptly dropped by one network morning show and just as abruptly booked on another. WHAT sexually-charged performance? There was nothing sexual about Adam's performance.
Maybe not to you but it was suggestive.
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Jimi, I get what you are trying to do with the Main Man/Bowie comparisons, but come on. I loved Adam as much as anyone and voted for him every week, but I am disappointed with this single. It's not very memorable, and you just cannot compare it to anything Bowie created (come on, Bowie's songs are genius-there are hooks and melodies and damn if "Gene Genie" doesn't rock my world-just play that acoustically one day-it's a perfect rock song). I don't think Adam's in that Bowie category, except maybe for the image..
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Glamberace isn't even in the Bowie category regarding image.
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end. Nah, it'll just make him more famous and up the ratings of the shows he does do. Are they upset because he's racyor because he's gay? Other than Ellen and the night time talkers, I don't see much for him to do. They didn't specify but I'm sure its a little of both.
He is going to be interviewed on Barbra Walters annual "Most Fascinating People" show early December (as will Gaga).
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Take away the performance and just listen to the song. There's no "there" there...Whoever called it "Womanizer" karaoke-that was funny, but "Womanizer" was a better single and MUCH bigger hit:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f9wAFmfhpmU
Truth be told, I liked the Adam version of Kara's horrid "No Boundries" MUCH better..
Now, the other song-the Ryan Tedder tune, "Sleep Walker" has a MUCH better shot at radio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pqFiTwJLAok
THIS is the hit...
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Jimi, I get what you are trying to do with the Main Man/Bowie comparisons, but come on. I loved Adam as much as anyone and voted for him every week, but I am disappointed with this single. It's not very memorable, and you just cannot compare it to anything Bowie created (come on, Bowie's songs are genius-there are hooks and melodies and damn if "Gene Genie" doesn't rock my world-just play that acoustically one day-it's a perfect rock song). I don't think Adam's in that Bowie category, except maybe for the image..
I luv you, dearest, but I'm not trying to do anything; Lambert is this generation's Bowie, unlike Bowie, he's the real thing... and as to the homage to Cyrinda Foxe(Iggy Pop?), "Jean Genie" is built around a hook lifted directly from a Yardbirds song,if you must know,genius hooks that came from somewhere else... but then,The Beatles were declared genius while they were cranking out white boy covers of songs by The Miracles and The Marvelettes, so it's one big circle jerk at the end of the day, n'est pas?
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I luv you, dearest, but I'm not trying to do anything; Lambert is this generation's Bowie, unlike Bowie, he's the real thing... and as to the homage to Cyrinda Foxe(Iggy Pop?), "Jean Genie" is built around a hook lifted directly from a Yardbirds song,if you must know,genius hooks that came from somewhere else... but then,The Beatles were declared genius while they were cranking out white boy covers of songs by The Miracles and The Marvelettes, so it's one big circle jerk at the end of the day, n'est pas?
I have a lot of respect for you Jimi, but I think you've been drinking too much of something directly out of Lake Ronkonkoma. Lambert the "real deal" that Bowie wasn't? If you're talking about image, you may have an argument. Lambert is all image. Take away his posturing, and there's nothing. The songs are toilet paper. His shelf life will be 2 albums, then will end up on Broadway like the rest of the failed AI drek.
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you mean like Daughtry,Clarkson,Underwood, Hudson, etc? gee, I guess you're right.. the real deal...Bowie said he was gay to sell records to a core audience that was waiting for something before disco came along,and after Diana Ross left The Supremes..but Bowie lied and used the gay thing in his prime the way that faux thugs pretend to be gangstas to sell records... in that regard, Lambert is the real deal.. Lake Ronkonkoma is very clear these days, I was walking in the sand in my two piece bikini this morning... FABULOUS, dah ling......
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Lambert is this generation's Bowie, unlike Bowie, he's the real thing... and as to the homage to Cyrinda Foxe(Iggy Pop?), "Jean Genie" is built around a hook lifted directly from a Yardbirds song,if you must know,genius hooks that came from somewhere else... but then,The Beatles were declared genius while they were cranking out white boy covers of songs by The Miracles and The Marvelettes, so it's one big circle jerk at the end of the day, n'est pas?
Some rewriting of history going on here...
Bowie started out real, added some Warhol-like reinvention/manufacturing of himself, wrote his own songs (which have been covered by many, from Streisand to Mott the Hoople).
Glambert completely manufactured as part of American Idol, of which virtually none of the manufactured Idols (other than a couple) have no shelf life. Paired with Gaga's producer for his album. Let's not have a couple of weeks equate him with Bowie.
If anything, Gaga as much the new Bowie as the new Madonna.
Bowie's Jean Genie is a complete rip off, I did a study on this for a music class, however it is Shadows of Knight "Oh Yeah" linked here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4izkOCRPhro
The Beatles were never declared genius for covering Motown songs - I think their early songwriting, which unlike Led Zeppelin (who stole and had to credit) sounds nothing like what you describe, through Revolver, Rubber Soul, St Peppers and so on is what has them considered genius.
In fact, your Beatles slam is so off base as to negate any value of your Main Man / Glambert comments.
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Bowie has NEVER been real, from his earliest Anthony Newley leanings in 1966,and in terms of fame in the UK,he was nothing until the MainMan engineered "I'm Gay" issue of Melody Maker; there's no arguement there, I lived through it.. you are correct, it was "Oh Yeah"/Shadows of Knight(which was basically a Yardbirds homage/ripoff anyway), not The Yardbirds, I do defer on that one; and I'm a Beatles fan,have been since 1964, it was not a slam,they were hailed as genius from the moment they stepped off the plane at that well engineered promotional gimmick,before people became aware of the word 'hype'... LAMBERT RULES 4EVAH and beyond...
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#686978 - 11/25/09 01:10 PM
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end. Two days after giving a sexually charged performance at the American Music Awards, the singer Adam Lambert found himself abruptly dropped by one network morning show and just as abruptly booked on another. WHAT sexually-charged performance? There was nothing sexual about Adam's performance. Maybe not to you but it was suggestive.
gymnastics by a skinny kid with no muscles? He didn't even rotate his pelvis or flutter his eyelashes. Do you remember Madonna--she's a sexual performer. He needs to find out what he does well, and capitalize on it. Sexy doesn't need someone trying to be like Prince and kissing a musician. I saw Ellis Paul--a folky-- in concert and he exudes sex in a sleazy, slinky way just by how he stands. Just posted a Peggy March video that she made in her 50s, how she commands the stage and moves her core--sexy.
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#686986 - 11/25/09 01:44 PM
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Bowie has NEVER been real, from his earliest Anthony Newley leanings in 1966,and in terms of fame in the UK,he was nothing until the MainMan engineered "I'm Gay" issue of Melody Maker; there's no arguement there, I lived through it..
Perhaps...but if he was influenced by anyone it was Warhol, a consummate pop culture thief. Bowie wrote his songs. And usually found great lead guitarists.
I believe from previous threads you have a Main Man bias as to how they treated other loves of your life. Not that I have anything good to say about Main Man.
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#686989 - 11/25/09 02:07 PM
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GMA just canceled his concert appearance. He comes the beginning of the end. Two days after giving a sexually charged performance at the American Music Awards, the singer Adam Lambert found himself abruptly dropped by one network morning show and just as abruptly booked on another. WHAT sexually-charged performance? There was nothing sexual about Adam's performance. Maybe not to you but it was suggestive. gymnastics by a skinny kid with no muscles? He didn't even rotate his pelvis or flutter his eyelashes. Do you remember Madonna--she's a sexual performer. He needs to find out what he does well, and capitalize on it. Sexy doesn't need someone trying to be like Prince and kissing a musician. I saw Ellis Paul--a folky-- in concert and he exudes sex in a sleazy, slinky way just by how he stands. Just posted a Peggy March video that she made in her 50s, how she commands the stage and moves her core--sexy.
When you thrust someones crotch in your face, finger another, and THEN kiss another during a 4 minute awards ceremony performance...its suggestive. Trust me. Covering any and all bases of suggestive was my bread and butter for more than a minute. What it WASN'T was sexy AT ALL..but it was suggestive. In the minds of middle America that constitutes sexual and when you factor in gay with that you can basically multiply it by 10.
Oh and by the way, there's no freakin way he did ANY of that during rehearsals but I'm sure all of it was planned and rehearsed that way. I've been working on awards shows where someone thought they saw one dancer grab the boob of the entertainer and it was IMMEDIATELY re-choreographed before the number was approved (....and it happens so fast this individual either had it out for someone or the eyes of a hawk. To this day I still have to point it out to most people). What they saw was indeed correct....., but we put it back in for the live broadcast. The rest is history.
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#686999 - 11/25/09 02:42 PM
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Adam Lambert stole the show. His performance and JLo falling on her butt will be the only things people will remember from this show.
Adam Lambert ought to find a guitarist as good as Mick Ronson, John 5, or Earl Slick to accompany him on stage.
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#687008 - 11/25/09 03:55 PM
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Adam Lambert stole the show. His performance and JLo falling on her butt will be the only things people will remember from this show.
Adam Lambert ought to find a guitarist as good as Mick Ronson, John 5, or Earl Slick to accompany him on stage.
He should get Buckethead
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#687011 - 11/25/09 04:25 PM
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Adam Lambert stole the show. His performance and JLo falling on her butt will be the only things people will remember from this show.
Adam Lambert ought to find a guitarist as good as Mick Ronson, John 5, or Earl Slick to accompany him on stage. He should get Buckethead
Naw Orianthi would fit better with his image..
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#687031 - 11/25/09 06:07 PM
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>>>Adam Lambert ought to find a guitarist as good as Mick Ronson<<<<
Best point in the thread.
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#687040 - 11/25/09 06:56 PM
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by the way, I luv everything about MainMan ,it was my reason for being at one point in my life; Bowie loved the idea of Warhol.but when he went from hippie hunky dory folkie to glitter/glammed space queen, it was Angie at the wheel, the cast of "Pork" in the backseat shouting directions(Zanetta, Leee Childers, Vanilla and County) and musical muse services provided by Marc Bolan,Lou Reed, and,in spirit, Iggy Pop. And I am a Bowie fan,an original fan; I'm just not a blind devotee, refusing to acknowledge the obvious. Lambert is enamoured of vintage Bowie, Queen,70s glam era in general,and that's a very good launch point from where I'm standing.. Adam is on Letterman tonight, and will sell a quarter million units by the week's end..
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#687045 - 11/25/09 07:30 PM
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Is there a significance in the revival of Faces-era rock? Well, the idea of setting yourself up as a derivative band is a road that leads nowhere.
Really arcane or avant-garde music kind of experiences the same thing. What do you mean, arcane? If a guy creates something new and original, is that bad?
Not at all. I'm not using the word pejoratively, but more like something ... It's something you never heard before.
Something that's frighteningly ... Original?
Yeah. I want the frighteningly original all the time.
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#687049 - 11/25/09 08:05 PM
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have NO idea what the above is all about, but I hope you're well and healthy...
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#687082 - 11/26/09 12:36 AM
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Well this is the "official" video of "For Your Entertainment" and obviously it is not as graphic as the AMA performance, although it gets the message (?) across. I find it interesting most of his interaction in the video is with women...no doubt someone elses idea for more mainstream. Those of you who think AMAs burnt his chances should (if you care) read the responses from "kids" on both the AMAs and this video all over the net. It seems to have worked in the reverse...and of course there is the usual rebellion factor of what your parents hate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aGuOZCLp9Yk
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#687093 - 11/26/09 03:39 AM
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Just saw him sing "What Do You Want From Me" on Letterman. No apparent stunts, although they kept cutting to other musicians during the guitar break so I don't know if he was doing anything off-frame. But he sang a lot better this time around.
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#687140 - 11/26/09 07:51 PM
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i wasn't in the building, but someone told me he was smashing Paul Schafer's face into his crotch during the guitar break...Happy Thanksgiving!!
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#687146 - 11/26/09 09:05 PM
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Who really sang (if anyone) and who's vocals were canned? It was a mixed bag. Gaga was live to track. Rihanna was a hot tracked mess as usual with bits of live interaction. Whitney was live I'd say. Alicia Keys was track on her performance but live to track with Jay.....off the top of my head.
I was out of town, and just caught this show on my DVR and I can't believe no one has mentioned Clarkson. I think she was the only performer of the night that sang LIVE, and killed her performance. She didn't need all the glitz and dances, she just stood there, and used that voice to blow everyone away. Her standing ovation was well deserved. Whereas Whitneys standing O wasn't for a remarkable performance, but more as appreciation that she's trying to make a comeback. Kelly is the real deal when it comes to vocals, and too many times, she gets overlooked.
I liked Adam on AI,a lot, and I could care less he's gay. But I thought his performance was disgusting, and his vocals sounded horrid. Pitchy and all over the place. Instead of trying to make a statement, he should've concentrated more on his vocals. He screwed himself big time. I think he'll get good first week sales from his Idol fanbase, but I bet he tanks from there.
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#687164 - 11/27/09 12:58 AM
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have another drink, buttercup... Adam shall reign 4evahmore... yada yada...
by the way, how could anyone miss Clarkson? Planes passing overhead couldn't miss HER lately...
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have another drink, buttercup... Adam shall reign 4evahmore... yada yada...
by the way, how could anyone miss Clarkson? Planes passing overhead couldn't miss HER lately...
ah Jimi, the common fat joke everyone throws around when they can't knock her voice for anything. I'd rather hear someone "of her size" sing, LIVE, than watch a bunch of no talent, lip singing pop tarts, while shakin their skinny asses.
and time will tell with Adam. Loved him on the show, but I think he screwed himself dearly with that performance.
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#687188 - 11/27/09 10:47 AM
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And she isn't even fat.
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>>My theory of DeEvolution
your theory?
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i watched the clip of whitney on youtube. the voice still isn't anywhere near strong enough but it far less raspy than it was when the album first came out. it looks like someone is working with her and getting some results.
i wish she would slow down, though. racing through the hard parts doesn't fool anybody and only makes you look like you are late for another appointment.
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jimi - - there is a crucial difference between bowie and the glambert. bowie was rock and roll and this guy is pure pop. lets face it, there is more queen in there than bowie. it is am radio for the new millennium. and i am not sure that is really the insult i mean it to be.
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I guess it's in the ear of the beholder, and our personal take on things; there's no definitive answer, but, to me.... Bowie, who I was 'gaga' crazed over as the 'leader of the pack' was guitar powered pop,be it "Changes", "Starman","Drive In Saturday", any of the UK singles chart toppers, but rocknroll? NAH!!! rocknroll? at the time, Iggy & The Stooges,the early primtivism of Wayne County, and,of course, the 1972 model New York Dolls; that's rocknroll....Bowie could only peer through the glass at the party going on,while his party was happening in another universe.. Bowie and Lambert, who will eventually write his own opus, have lots in common... and as i recall, one of Bowie's pre MainMan singles was an Alvin & the Chipmuncks knock off called "The Laughing Gnome"... Adam will find his way, and in the internet era, he can't be knocked off the hill by a resistent media, the way so many of the first glam wave were dispensed with in America...
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