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#704727 - 03/12/10 03:19 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: nycbiscuit]
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nyc...i think you maybe you ate the wrong mushrooms. how is owl city's song not a hit?

how many downloads does a song have to sell in these times to be considered a hit???? a million?
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#704729 - 03/12/10 03:21 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: nycbiscuit]
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 Originally Posted By: nycbiscuit
The fact remains that hit records include the services of a wide array of professionals across a multitude of disciplines.


Yeah but for acts who want to make a living, keeping it in house is an ever easier proposition.
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#704734 - 03/12/10 03:51 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: nycbiscuit]
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 Originally Posted By: nycbiscuit
Boston was pre-digital age.

Making it all the more impressive from a sonic/production standpoint. (Not that that's really the issue at hand here, but still.)

 Originally Posted By: nycbiscuit
Owl City = not a "hit".

I am assuming you're saying this in the sense of "not a hit all by itself". Because top 10 in 20 (or more) countries certainly indicates a hit to me.
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#704736 - 03/12/10 04:00 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: nycbiscuit]
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I tend to give bands/records that made it to #1, "hit" status.

My opinion of the music being irrelevant to that opinion.
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#704746 - 03/12/10 04:40 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: Beethoven]
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re: boston

IIRC, it was far more complicated than just the "total home recording by tom in his basement" story that most take for fact. high price studios in LA, remote truck on CBS' dollar, and much more, combined with everyone involved telling a different story in retrospect. not quite the same as a bedroom kid with garageband. \:\)
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#704751 - 03/12/10 05:15 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: d_gauss]
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re: owl city...yes i would think being #1 on the hot 100 would be a hit by anyone's standards...but even before the label got involved he was in the high 6 figures on download sales.
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#704753 - 03/12/10 05:22 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: d_gauss]
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 Originally Posted By: d_gauss
re: boston

IIRC, it was far more complicated than just the "total home recording by tom in his basement" story that most take for fact. high price studios in LA, remote truck on CBS' dollar, and much more, combined with everyone involved telling a different story in retrospect. not quite the same as a bedroom kid with garageband. \:\)


That was for Don't Look Back
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#704755 - 03/12/10 05:36 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: Beethoven]
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Anything by Fatboy Slim after "Better Living."

Moby's better songs came out of his home.
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#704767 - 03/12/10 07:03 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: Danhedonia]
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I don't include electronica/dance into my thinking on this, as there's no live tracking (typically).

I'm not saying there's no exceptions to the rule, I just think there's far more hype and speculation about a DIY model than could ever exist in reality. Hell, most label acts can't cut through the clutter of media out there, let alone a go-it-alone artist. It creates the perception that labels and studios and managers and marketers aren't needed.

I don't subscribe to "acts that want to make a living" line from Alex upthread. The digital revolution has just lead to more struggling artists than ever before. The number of releases has ballooned in recent years, and I think the money to be made out there is spread thinner than ever.
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#704779 - 03/12/10 08:10 PM Re: Article: Record Labels Change or Die [Re: nycbiscuit]
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it has flooded the market...but also...for some artists...it has created income streams they otherwise would not have realized.

but i do agree the blogs and such are over-hyped.
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